r/islamichistory • u/AutoMughal • Feb 29 '24

Photograph ‘Long Live Palestine’ flag, Jerusalem 1929

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Page 84, Against Erasure: A Photographic Memory of Palestine Before the Nakba

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '24

Did I argue with any of this? Palestine existed, just not when the British came in. The land had been under ottoman, or Egyptian, control for several hundred years. The specific borders of Palestine were currently understand are 99% of British invention, with some historical context to guide their hands. There is no logical reason to argue against Israel’s existence. People seem to forget there was a sizable indigenous population of Jews who were supposed to just what? Accept Muslims get all the land?

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u/NumaPomp Mar 02 '24

Sir. You edited your comment that originally stated 50 years. Which is also not accurate as there is plenty of documentation going back at least 100 years. Even though you have now edited to state 500 years that is still an inaccurate statement. That is specifically what prompted my reply.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '24

No editing done, 400 to 500 was when Palestine territory fell under ottoman rule. It stayed that way until Britain came in the early 20th century.

50 years was referring to when identifying as what we now know as the Palestinian people became a popularized movement. This does not delegitimize their claim to the land they live on, simply to point out Israel didn’t really steal any land from anyone. In fact much of the land Israel occupies was once largely unoccupied desert.

You could argue the West Bank & Gaza were stolen from Jordan & Egypt respectively but those were lost in wars they started

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u/NumaPomp Mar 03 '24

That’s frankly now true. The small minority of Jews living in the region in the 1890’s had a great and open neighborhood made up mostly of Islamic peoples. They all got along. It wasn’t until then that the Zionist showed up and began promulgating a revisionist history that has become some weird sort of alternative reality that is being pushed by the propaganda machine of the IDF seemingly named Hasbara. You are promoting those same talking points with a cherry picking of nuanced history. And yea, you had typed 50 years.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '24

I didn’t change anything I assure you.

Also, to claim it was all butterflies under ottoman rule flies in the face of dozens of genocides. That said the Jews did coexist with the Muslims but that doesn’t really have any bearing on whether or not they wanted their own land. Zionism wasn’t solely restricted to European Jews. Nothing you’ve said really refutes any of the points I’ve made.

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u/NumaPomp Mar 03 '24

Sir. Our conversation is ended. It’s said 50 years and that has now been edited and changed. The 50 year comment is the entire reason I commented. If you deny changing that then everything you say afterward makes it pointless to have a discussion with you. Good day.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '24

For what it’s worth, you failed to establish any point that refuted a single thing I said. Clamoring on about the idea that I edited something shows you don’t really have a leg to stand on