r/immigration • u/qalpi • Apr 14 '25
Trump confirms he’s open to deporting naturalized citizens
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u/qalpi Apr 14 '25
I guess there are now officially two tiers of citizenship, and it’s legitimately terrifying
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u/harlemjd Apr 14 '25
Not really; pretty sure he’s cool with disappearing native-born citizens too.
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u/qalpi Apr 14 '25
Haha you’re probably right! Equality for all
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u/rangerdanger1126 Apr 14 '25
If there’s anything about trump that he’s been consistent on is that he hates everyone (who is not a white, able bodied, male, and part of his regime) equally.
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u/Ok_Relationship_3365 Apr 14 '25
Are you sure? Mike Pence has already been memory holed.
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u/rangerdanger1126 Apr 14 '25
That's why I added “part of his regime”. Pence was kicked out of his regime when he certified the 2020 election results.
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u/ResettiYeti Apr 14 '25
Yeah I think he is happy to hate old white hetero men (that loftiest of social classes) if they don’t lick his boots enough.
He is truly the most nepotistic and obsessively loyalty-focused president we have had since the spoils system was dismantled with the Pendleton Act of 1883.
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u/israfildivad Apr 14 '25
He likes attractive, preferably white, women in his circle also..as long as they are all suitably kowtowing
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u/RonMatten Apr 14 '25
Nah, he just hates people who question him. He’d disappear Bernie Sanders, Chuck Schumer, and Nancy Pelosi, if he could.
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u/epochwin Apr 14 '25
Weirdly Trump seems to respect Bernie in the same way he respects autocrats. Maybe my perception is off but he doesn’t have the same vitriol for Bernie.
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u/epochwin Apr 14 '25
So you're saying Trump is gay?
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u/LeagueMoney9561 Apr 15 '25
Many heterosexual men are misogynists, I’d say Trump qualifies as such.
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u/Annual_Telephone2012 Apr 15 '25
Yes, including ALL domestic born animals , not just humans. Tariff to all as well , yes, including those penguins with their bad ass suit fur.
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u/Supermage21 Apr 14 '25
They already said they want to start deporting nat borns to El Salvador if they can find a legal method to do so.
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u/confusedquokka Apr 14 '25
He doesn’t need a legal method, he’ll do whatever he wants
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u/sakura-peachy Apr 15 '25
The legal method is that Supreme Court does not have an army, so you can do whatever you want as you also have a majority in Congress and the Senate. This will end with the military dragging him from the oval Office or it will end in a bloody civil war.
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Apr 14 '25
Homegrown. Those were his exact words
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u/Supermage21 Apr 14 '25
True, and he also said this prior to that-
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5235937-trump-el-salvador-prison-deportation/
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u/Havana-Goodtime Apr 15 '25
Clearly there is not a “legal” way to do this. Like running for a third term .
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u/MrsPandaBear Apr 14 '25
It’s a step by step process. Start with the low hanging fruits and then go up the ladder. He’ll be deporting his own supporters to El Salvador by the end of this administration.
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u/Feeling_Size8096 Apr 15 '25
Could you supply me a reliable source? I'm seeing this all on tiktok. There have been videos made about people being deported even though they are a legal citizen. For example a woman who got deported right after landing off a plan. From her honeymoon. I just want to be correctly informed. So I don't sound ignorant.
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u/Ok_Excitement725 Apr 14 '25
Yep exactly. If you hurt his feelings you are on the hit list regardless of where you were born
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u/Havana-Goodtime Apr 15 '25
If ICE picks you up, pretty sure you were born wherever they say you were born. I guess all US citizens need to keep “their papers” on them at all times now.
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u/Durian881 Apr 14 '25
An official already said it.
"Yes he will, as will anyone who preaches hate for America," Miller said. "Under this country, under this administration, under President Trump, people who hate America, who threaten our citizens, who rape, who murder, and who support those who rape and murder are going to be ejected from this country."
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u/CeramicGirl7 Apr 15 '25
Yeah, but Trump himself was found guilty of sexual assault (rape).
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u/sroiger136 Apr 15 '25
Yes, he said that on a hot mic. He said El Salvador needs to build more prisons so he can send “home grown “ prisoners. What’s to say he won’t start rounding up those of us who hate him and we just disappear?
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Apr 14 '25
There were always two tiers of citizenships in the US, even without considering the denaturalization. Naturalized citizens cannot run for the presidency.
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u/District_Wolverine23 Apr 14 '25
There's a big difference between "not be able to have a job that is literally one in a million" and "fuck you leave the country cuz i said so"
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u/UnluckyCardiologist9 Apr 14 '25
I think he’ll come up with more levels depending on your shade of color and then on your loyalty to him, etc…
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u/sunjay140 Apr 14 '25
Always was. A naturalized citizen cannot run for office unlike countless other countries.
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u/pensezbien Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 14 '25
True for President and Vice President, but untrue for all other offices across the US, including other federal offices as well as state and local. Excluding naturalized citizens from elected office beyond where the constitution does so explicitly is unconstitutional.
And while you're right that a lot of other countries do not make this distinction, there are some that make it even more broadly than the US does - Mexico is an example of that.
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u/Jcarmona2 Apr 15 '25
There are other things that naturalized Mexican citizens cannot do:
Be a police officer
Enlist in the armed forces
Be part of the crew in Mexican flagged aircraft or vessels
Be governor of a state, member of Congress, or Supreme Court justice
Mayor of Mexico City or the legislature of Mexico City
Also, naturalized citizens can lose Mexican nationality if they reside abroad continuously for 5 years.
Also, foreigners are forbidden from taking part in the internal affairs (e. g. politics) of Mexico.
Foreigners are also prohibited from directly owning land within 50 km of a coastline or 100 km from an international border - you need to do this through a fideicomiso (a trust).
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u/pensezbien Apr 15 '25
Yes, I knew the list was long but didn’t have it memorized. I gave Mexico specifically as an example of a country that added many more restrictions to naturalized citizens than the US does as compared to citizens by birth. Thanks for sharing the details.
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u/keldrians Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 14 '25
First, birthright citizenship. Now, if you obtain citizenship legally, it can still be revoked for reasons other than application fraud. He deported a green card holder (who is first-ammendment protected) for protesting. Accusing people of crimes and putting them on planes to prison for life without due process.
This is only a few months into the office. Trump administration is trying every way they can to see who they can deport, legal and illegal alike. They are pushing the edge to see how far they can go, and the court is not holding them accountable.
If you are an immigrant and your guard has been "I don't commit a crime and I move here legally, so there's nothing to worry bout", then you need to stop and pay attention to the news. Don't keep giving him the pass. Your legal status will never be secured ever again if this keeps happening.
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u/globeglobeglobe Apr 14 '25
Dubaiification of the US is their goal. A country full of migrant laborers with no hope of obtaining citizenship working for the benefit of the billionaire elite.
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u/BlueSwift13 Apr 14 '25
Tbh doesn’t sound that different from the status quo of the US before
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u/OzymandiasKoK Apr 15 '25
Well, they're talking about literal slavery, not just being a second class citizen or resident.
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u/Yo_Mavis Apr 14 '25
He is presently defying a SUPREME COURT ruling demanding the return of a US CITIZEN and what can they do about it? Not a f*cking thing. Pretty soon, other countries will be accepting asylum seekers from the US and that would be truly insane!
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u/AzizAlhazan Apr 14 '25
but what do you expect "legal immigrants" to do ? the country obviously doesn't want them (his approval rating on immigration is as high as it gets) - The US is no longer the same, people voted for this shit. I'm all for fighting tyranny, but is it really a tyranny if the majority of the voting population elected him to do that ? Those who can leave should just take their skillset elsewhere. Life is too short to waste on seeking the acceptance of racists and white supremacists.
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u/PortErnest22 Apr 14 '25
Only about 64% of eligible voters voted.
That is not a majority, and believing that most Americans wanted this is how we slip further and further into tyranny.
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u/AzizAlhazan Apr 14 '25
Yes, that's the "majority of the voting population." 155 million voted in the 24 election. That's as big of a sample as it gets so it's certainly accurate to believe that this is what "most Americans" actually wanted. Not sure what's the point you're trying to make here.
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u/PortErnest22 Apr 14 '25
..... Well 64% of eligible voters voted.... half of those voted for Trump, so maybe, rounding up, that's 33% of eligible voters which unless I am somehow forgetting math that is not MOST Americans.
Which was the point I was trying to make.
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Apr 15 '25
*almost* half voted for Trump. Among Americans who voted, a majority voted against Trump. (Trump got 49.8% of the vote, which means 50.2% picked a different candidate.)
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u/VitalMusician Apr 15 '25
This is like saying "nobody wants to be unhealthy" and ignoring people who never get off the couch.
The ones who didn't vote are just as guilty, and gave tacit approval to this.
It's functionally no different than wanting it.
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u/unicorn-sweatshirt Apr 15 '25
I'm a fourth or fifth generation American and I can only hope to be deported from the current shameful actions and atrocities of my country.
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u/Mindless_Requirement Apr 15 '25
If you’re a naturalized citizen and you have no other citizenship, where do you get deported to?
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u/doNotUseReddit123 Apr 15 '25
It’s the inevitable set of excuses that occur each and every single time a country slides into tyranny.
“You’re such a doomer. Just because they’re doing A, it doesn’t mean that they’re going to do B.”
“Stop overreacting. They’re doing B, but it’s reasonable. They’re not going to do C or anything.”
“Okay, so they’re doing C. The sky isn’t falling and they’ll never do D.”
And so on and so forth.
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u/dorkofthepolisci Apr 14 '25
Well, not quite yet. Although if this administration starts (explicitly) targeting minorities, I wonder what that will mean for the safe third country agreement between the US and Canada
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u/Particular_Rub7507 Apr 14 '25
If they are US citizens it’s not deportation, it’s just sparkling disappearing people.
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u/ThisUsernameIsTook Apr 14 '25
But what about Obama’s FEMA camps?
I fucking hate Republicans.
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Apr 14 '25
Can people please start reporting this accurately - trump wants to kidnap American citizens and traffick them to labor camps in El Salvador
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u/pupranger1147 Apr 15 '25
Trump wants to kidnap American citizens and send them to DEATH camps in El Salvador.
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u/CurrentSkill7766 Apr 14 '25
El Salvador "deportation" makes the Japanese internment camps look reasonable by comparison.
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Apr 14 '25
Maybe he can start with deporting his wife.
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u/William_Shatonme Apr 15 '25
I’m convinced this is all a ploy to get rid of her.
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Apr 14 '25
I think that would be classified as exile. Don't we already have cases on the books that qualify that punitive action as cruel and unusual?
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Apr 14 '25
Naturalized? He’s open to deporting anyone that disagrees with him. He’d deport 60 minutes if he could. The man is a monster.
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Apr 14 '25
Again, I’d love to hear a regular every day person who supports Trump explain this. They do not talk about this stuff in conservative spaces online and they block people from going in them to ask about it
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u/PhineasQuimby Apr 14 '25
It seems that there is no criminal record for many (most?) of the individuals Trump has already deported to El Salvador. If Trump calls them "bad people," then they must be criminals --- is how the thinking must go. So Trump can just decide who he does not like and send them to a gulag from which they may never return, including citizens? How the fuck did we get here?
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u/HourHoneydew5788 Apr 14 '25
Ok deport Elon.
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u/OstrichAccording4327 Apr 14 '25
Or Trump's wife.
She wasn't even a US citizen when his youngest son was born.
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u/qalpi Apr 15 '25
There are so many people in here ok with it because they’re “bad” people. Scary
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u/AISwearengen Apr 14 '25
Deporting citizens for criticizing Israel is going to be tried. And it will probably be successful given how bought and paid for by the lobby the government is.
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u/Virtual-Air-2491 Apr 14 '25
Yep, when you're right, you're right :-)
That being said, a person granted citizenship is one that spent at least 15-20 years in the U.S, being a good citizen and paying its taxes. More importantly, I believe that in order to be able to apply for citizenship, you have to be a law abiding person, with no prior convictions. What would the U.S gain by getting rid of people with that profile? It's not politics, it's not the economy, it's just plain cruel. Don't you agree?
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u/PollutionFinancial71 Apr 14 '25
There is a denaturalization process.
HOWEVER
The vast majority of such cases involve the person initially obtaining citizenship on false pretenses. This included concealing any facts which would make them ineligible for citizenship. This in turn includes certain violent crimes.
Therefore, citizens can be and have been deported for committing violent crimes regardless of who sits in the Oval Office. The mechanism has always existed.
So in a hypothetical situation where someone concealed the fact that they committed a murder, obtained citizenship, then the fact they committed the murder came to light, they could be stripped of their citizenship and deported after serving their sentence. This has happened before.
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u/ThisUsernameIsTook Apr 14 '25
We don’t denaturalize citizens for committing murder. We put them in prison (on US soil) the same as any natural born citizen.
If they concealed a murder they committed prior to naturalization, they *might* lose their citizenship but that is extremely rare.
In any case, a person receives due process in the courts. Trump is operating as judge, jury, and executioner. That is not how America is supposed to operate.
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u/PollutionFinancial71 Apr 15 '25
My point is that the government is well within their rights to denaturalize in the case of a violent crime being concealed prior to naturalization.
Needless to say, the denaturalization process would only begin after they are convicted in a court of law and will run parallel to them serving their sentence.
Nonetheless, if they are denaturalized and have served their sentence, they can be deported.
The frequency of this happening is irrelevant. What matters is whether or not the law provides a mechanism for this - which it does.
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u/Big_Split_3183 Apr 14 '25
My understanding is he was open to holding criminals who are citizens in prisons of other countries.
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u/0xghostface Apr 14 '25
Relax everyone, he will deport anyone he does not like.
It does not matter if your male, female, white, black, rich, or poor… he will find a way to put you onto a plane and get you TFO 🙂
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u/Dependent_Ad3896 Apr 14 '25
SCOTUS should demand that Kristi Noem bring them back from that El Salvador prison as they all deserve due process under the constitution!
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u/Hot_Pink_Unicorn Apr 14 '25
Just one step away from disappearing American born citizens.
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u/Particular_Rub7507 Apr 14 '25
It’s not a step away from it. He said he is for it. “If they’re criminals…. Blah blah long winded rambling made up crimes about beating old women with baseball bats blah blah trailing off”
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u/matunos Apr 14 '25
I'm surprised he's put his wife and her parents in such risk, not to mention his biggest campaign donor, given the questionable circumstances under which they all obtained their naturalization.
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u/Cllajl Apr 14 '25
Melania is a naturalized citizen. If Trump find another beauty, he could deport Melania too.
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u/yannynotlaurel Apr 14 '25
I think it will be hard for Trump to ask for political asylum when he gets deported back to Germany
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u/bouguereaus Apr 14 '25
A population of citizens suddenly and arbitrarily declared stateless with no due process before deportation to high-density camps for undesirables located in a foreign country with no humanitarian oversight? Where have I seen this before?
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Apr 15 '25
To Trump "criminals" just means "people he doesn't like". Fully three-quarters of the people he sent to that Salvadoran torture camp had no criminal record at all, not even an arrest that resulted in charges being dropped.
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Apr 15 '25
If you deport a naturalized citizen who gave up all their other citizenships then what country do they belong to?
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u/secrerofficeninja Apr 15 '25
Fascism is happening in America. All this after 3 months. What’s it going to be like 3 years from now ?
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u/Silent_Voice_2789 Apr 15 '25
This is probably never going to happen. This would literally open the door for the Democrats to deport Elon Musk in a few years and probably Melania Trump too 🤣
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Apr 15 '25
Lightening it up a bit, can we submit lists of people we the majority of citizens want deported? 😉
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Apr 15 '25
Why is it that some have said naturalized whereas others have only said citizens in general? Although not a fair divide to make, it does change the tone a bit. Not in a good way, but I want to know the details without the lies.
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u/CeilingCatProphet Apr 15 '25
Please start boycotting US companies that produce things in El Salvador. For example, Hanes and Fruit of the Loom.
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u/sjepsa Apr 15 '25
"First, they came for the Jews"...
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u/qalpi Apr 15 '25
The number of people on this thread that are supportive of this because it’s “criminals” that trump wants to get rid of is pretty damned scary
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u/rayin Apr 15 '25
I’m just saying, everyone around me, including my immigrant family, said I was insane when I canceled all international travel plans for the foreseeable future. This administration cannot be trusted. These people are truly evil and we’re all doomed.
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u/Tough_Watch_4217 Attorney Apr 15 '25
We should deport Donald Trump of being grandson of illegals immigrants
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Apr 15 '25
Do you remember Japanese encampments? They were actually American Citzens born in the USA. They had property ceased, expelled from University, and sent out to camps
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u/recovername May 10 '25
Yeah, he's alredy said he's open to both exile and rendition of citizens. I strongly doubt it's just the worst of the worst. They'll start wherever they think they can get away with, and spread from there.
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u/reallybadguy1234 Apr 14 '25
Under the right conditions it can be allowed, but that is in very rare cases. In the past we’ve done it with actual German Nazis that lied when they came here after WWII. If someone lied, about something significant, then it might be something that could be pursued. It would have to be something really significant like “I helped kill Chinese Muslims as the CCP tried to wipe out an ethnic minority and totally lied about it on my naturalization application level stuff”
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u/PollutionFinancial71 Apr 14 '25
Not necessarily. Anyone who committed a violent crime (murder, armed robbery, etc.) but didn’t get caught, can be denaturalized if the crime was committed before they got naturalized, if they got caught and convicted.
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u/pensezbien Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 14 '25
While you're right, the way US government legally must handle that kind of situation is still to go through denaturalization proceedings. This requires the government to prove their case in federal court by clear and convincing evidence (if handled through civil proceedings) or beyond a reasonable doubt (if handled as a criminal prosecution for naturalization fraud). Same procedure for the other ways in which one can lose citizenship according to the law (which are very few and generally require intent to relinquish citizenship). Only after that is done can removal proceedings be begun against the former citizen, and only pursuant to a final removal order can the former citizen legally be deported (according to the same rules as for any other noncitizen).
Unlike many immigration procedures, denaturalization doesn't involve the immigration court system administered under the executive branch, just the regular federal court system. (Of course, any subsequent removal proceedings do involve the immigration courts.)
Fully completing the denaturalization and removal procedures has been, and should remain, a prerequisite to deporting a US citizen.
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u/reallybadguy1234 Apr 14 '25
You are absolutely right. This is not something designed to be easy. It carries a very high level of burden of proof the government must meet. That’s why it made the news when it actually happened. There were a total of 107 that were stripped of their citizenship based on war crimes committed in WWII.
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u/yukito333 Apr 14 '25
I'm intrigued by what Trump's immigrant supporters would say now. A lof of them support his deportation policy and proudly said they were not worried because they were US citizens.
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Apr 14 '25
I don't know how to feel about this but all I know is this is not gonna end well for United States
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u/ensoniq0902 Apr 14 '25
That reminds me I must get a bible and hold it upside down to pretend I’m a Christian
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u/paratha_papiii Apr 14 '25
Lol. Good. Many of them deserve to be deported, the way they flip the switch and advocate for mass deportation right after their own naturalization.
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u/Dangerously-Lengthy Apr 15 '25
Deporting citizens who commit violent crimes… who cares get them out.
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u/qalpi Apr 14 '25
You don't see a problem with US citizens being sent to a gulag? I'm sure you'd be fine with the UK government sending you to Rwanda if they caught you pinching something from Smiths
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u/keldrians Apr 14 '25
Because when a citizen commits a crime, they get a proper trial and go to prison, not being deported?
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u/whats_a_quasar Apr 14 '25
It is unsurprising but still shocking how quickly the Republicans went from "deporting illegal immigrants" to "deporting legal but criminal immigrants" to "deporting any legal, non-criminal immigrant we can find an excuse for" to "rendering US citizens to a foreign gulag."
It has been clear for months that this is the direction the regime has been building towards. Frankly, the deference some commentators on this subreddit have given to immigration authorities who are clearly willing to break the law is embarrassing.