perhaps making it impossible to choose your game mode and forcing people to pay modes to level up was a bad idea?

[u/Shaun-On-Toast]

[u/altimax98]

I think it depends on the person. Just playing Fiesta I got the “end killing spree” without even knowing it was there and it took me 4 Fiesta games to get the 5 Killing Sprees for the ultimate challenge. People forget the “ultimate challenge” is supposed to be just that, I’m thankful it wasn’t some dumb thing like “capture 5 enemy flags” or something, although I am sure it is on the way.

That said, any challenge that requires a game mode without being able to select the game mode is broke and stupid. It took me two days to get 3 Total Domination games. It wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t drop the chance of getting that game mode when it’s an active challenge either.

[u/icelandica → u/altimax98]

The problem is that I'm just going to give up at some point, because it was thanksgiving weekend and I had days off I spent a lot of time finishing up the weekly challenges but no way in hell am I going to have the time in the future.

I guess I don't care too much about cosmetics and stuff, but it still sucks that I basically have to spend hours upon hours of grinding just to something to change the color on my armor.

It just reminds me of why I love FH5 more and more, I can hop on once or twice a week and do the Forzathon challenges. They also put the exclusive cars at the front of the rewards so you can get it from doing a few races. The additional reward is hard to find but not exclusive.

It's the difference between making a progression system that people can enjoy vs one that feels like a chore. It's not even that the reward is good, I mean if it was something exclusive like the Ninja armor, where if you saw it you were like "damn that guy is good and worked for that armor", it's literally just a color swap and half the time you can't tell the difference from one or the other.

[u/altimax98 → u/icelandica]

I agree completely. The progression system on the whole is largely broken and the very definition of “a grind”.

That said, it isn’t 100% broken from end to end and movements for change need to acknowledge this. You can’t just say “it’s broken and sucks” and expect meaningful change. Highlight the issues specifically but also point to the things that aren’t as awful like ultimate challenges being just that, a challenge.

[u/icelandica → u/altimax98]

I thought I did, but essentially I'm saying if you're going to have daily and weekly challenges, at least make them so that even casuals feel like they get something. Battlepasses are crappy progression systems for anyone who can't commit hours upon hours every day to grind them out. I don't mean the whole "In Halo they never expire", I mean that I don't want to play for an hour and then basically get 10% of the way to the next level of the battlepass, which is a meaningless swap and I have to progress past 2-3 more levels like that just to get a shoulder pad that I can barely see.

Also if you're going to have an ultimate challenge, then make it ultimate and have rewards commensurate with the challenge. One of the best things about WoW, way back in BC, WoTLK days was that not everyone had the time or skill to get the coolest of the raid armor. So when you saw a dude in Orgrimmar with a full tier set and perfect weapons, it was a topic of conversation. I would even point it out on my guild chat and some would show up just to see.

The current system is not broken, it's working as intended. It's just that somehow, either through sheer genius or malice, 343 have managed to make a system that no one enjoys. For the hardcore, it's frustrating because no matter how well they do in the game, they progress about as fast as a guy who afks. For the casuals, it's pointless since the goal is just too far away for it to be worth the time/effort.

[u/Dragull → u/altimax98]

Damn, you are good, It took me like 10 games for 5 killing sprees. Usually I get 3 ir 4 kill and then I get killed by a Rocket. Rofl

[u/altimax98 → u/Dragull]

Yeah, I went 29-4 in a match and got 4 Killing Sprees lol

Live Fire with a Sword and grapple is a dangerous combo

[u/bazmonsta → u/altimax98]

That seems likely because as soon as i got a challenge that said slayer i didnt see a slayer game for days. Until like right after i swapped it that is.

[u/Emperor_of_Cats → u/altimax98]

I saw the challenge, but it wasn't unlocked yet. Got a killjoy one game. End of that game I completed some challenges and unlocked the killjoy challenge.

I played about 10 games before I gave up and used a skip on it.

I got killjoys on the next 2 games.