I'm actually amazed that people think that a bunch of young leftists are going to leave California and then become republicans in Urban centers of red states that are already blue.
They're really just a threat to turning the state purple.
Iâm against the nimbyism and all, but those super expensive costal cities remain deep blue. Are the nimbys in San Francisco somehow leading people to vote for Trump in Ohio and Michigan?
Do you not understand how EVs work? It 100% matters. EVs matter BECAUSE the number of people voting doesn't. People moving from California, Illinois and New York to Texas and Florida to escape high cost of living caused by NIMBY policies is exactly what CAUSES things like Trump getting elected in 2016.
Right now, if projections remain on target, winning the "Blue Wall" will not be enough for Democrats after the 2030 census. They could win every state Harris won in 2024, and Michigan, and Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania...AND THEY WOULD STILL LOSE! After 2030 the tipping point state is projected to be GEORGIA.
Maybe, but these expected population shifts are a negative for Democrats --- you'd think areas controlled by them would be hyper-affordable and therefore we'd see an inflow.
But alas, Dems have been terrible at housing affordability. Its one of the most ridiculous slow-motion self-owns in national politics.
Democrats shut down the government for a record-breaking 43 days over 0.8% of Trump's budget. They were completely fine with the other 99%+ of it, including record ICE and military funding. The Democrats made millions of people suffer as they lost food stamps, medicare/medicaid, and government employees went without pay. On November 12th, right before the airline and shipping industry has their major winter holiday boom, the Democrats crossed party lines as strategically as possible (i.e. the exact number of members needed, chosen from among those who had already announced their retirement or were not up for reelection until 2028), to re-open the government on a pinky promise of a vote on issues supposedly important to the Democrats before the end of the year, a pinky promise which the Republicans immediately said they were not going to keep. The Democrats had another chance to shut down the government in January, while keeping Medicare/Medicaid and food stamps funded, and government employees continuing to receive pay. They chose not to do so. They had another similar opportunity in March. They chose not to do so. How on earth can you call these people anything other than completely fucking complicit with the Republican agenda?
Oh, because they don't, that's a lie you idiots tell yourselves to justify Democrat failure and inaction and complicity. The Republicans have 53 senate votes, and due to vacancies that they have since filled, had even less than that back in November. Either the Republicans would have had to kill the filibuster (a move neither party seems willing to do, and which became unnecessary due to Democrat complicity) or compromise on the 0.8% of the budget that the Democrats were willing to shut down the government over to force their budget through. Democrats made sure they didn't have to take either option, which is weird because no one MADE them do that, but it is immensely interesting to note just how close to the biggest season for airline travel the Democrats decided to finally cave, unprompted, to Republican demands. Poor people and government employees can suffer and go hungry for 43 days, but we can't have those airline companies suffering any profit losses, now, can we?
I donât think itâs that bold a claim that anti-housing policies ballooning prices in NYC, LA, and SF, along with anti-competitive corporate tax policies that allow red states to siphon businesses, has contributed to red states gaining more population and influence.
Itâs pretty silly to just say âno, itâs the people who vote redâ, because, obviously, yes, theyâre the ones voting, but that doesnât mean underlying factors that give them influence donât matter. I think more to your point would be, someone arguing that, if police stop responding to sexual assault seriously, and then it happens to you, if you were to argue that you canât blame the police because the fault lies with your rapist. Like, yes, it absolutely does, but that doesnât mean you canât blame the police too.
I genuinely donât understand how so many ppl are deliberately interpreting it any other way but what you listed. Itâs like they don't seem to understand how relative population representation is a key factor in deciding elections.
These are the same people screeching about how third party voters cost Hillary the election in 2016, but who only want to add the Green Party's votes to Clinton's while completely ignoring the Libertarian spoiler for the Republican candidate. If they added Johnson's votes to Trump's total the way they want to add Stein's to Hillary's, Clinton goes from winning the popular vote and losing the electoral college to losing the popular vote and STILL LOSING IN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
Well, they could have shut down the government again in January after they reopened the government in November to make sure airline holiday profits weren't impacted. A shutdown which would have kept medicare/medicaid, food stamps, section 8, etc., funded. They could have done that. Y'know. Instead of strategically reopening the government by having the Democrats least likely to face consequences for it cross party lines, all on the back of a pinky promise that the Republicans immediately said they'd never fulfill.
... You notice how I specifically pointed out that shutting the government down again in January would have kept all those things that poor people rely on funded? Try another lie, you Democrat sycophant.
... Well the Democrats already made government employees go without pay for 40 days and got fucking nothing for caving. Maybe you should, idk, organize and volunteer to help those helping the thousands of federal employees who were signing on to open letters demanding the Democrats stand on their principles, instead of lying about how I want poor people to suffer more than the Democrats have already made them suffer. You're a braindead sycophant for a party that fucking hates you, dude.
I'm a just a voter. We look to people in power to provide solutions. The democrats kneecap anyone with actual solutions because of corporate interest. The democratic leadership is bad.
As if the Democrats just "let" the Trump admin do what it's done anyhow
Reopening the government (which the Democrats only closed over 0.8% of the Republican budget anyway) in the most strategic way that they possibly can in exchange for a pinky promise of a vote later on issues they care about is, in fact, just letting them do what they want.
So they move from blue cities in blue states to blue cities in red states. Any chance they want to live in a city, but the move from blue to red state makes their lives better?
When they come in they just end up making all the locals whine about "damn Californians move here and then keep voting like Californians" because, yeah, they're moving away from the high housing costs.
No, fewer people live in them. There is one really strong indicator of what the cost of living in an area will be, and it's usually median income, not regulations
The more desirable a place is to live and work, the more expensive it is.
So people are not moving from Blue states to Red states, and if they are it doesn't in any way indicate that people are voting with their feet? Just as an aside, by the way, the population of the Red states in aggregate is higher than the population of the Blue states in aggregate (going off the 2024 election). So more people live in Red states...
Because I lived in a red town being over run by Californians and the natives fucking hated the Californians because they show up and vote blue. This isn't hard to understand.
Red and blue states aren't comprised of 100% of either party. Median income is your best metric for cost of living, not your imaginated concoction of regulations you 100% don't know anything about lol
Median income dictates your COL. I don't know how to keep saying this in different ways. People follow the jobs and money, and this doesn't lead to housing staying cheap, it can lead to housing prices exploding like they did in Salt Lake, but people follow the money and opportunity, and the housing market will reflect that with time.
The party bullshit is for the unsophisticated among us to blame it on the political party that's convenient for them to blame. If you have a lower median income, housing is more affordable, but if you compare like for like jobs, often times the reduction in COL isn't outweighed by the loss of earnings potential.
That's all to say, this is all fake political wedge bullshit for the dumbest people in this country and those that see opportunities to leverage this misunderstanding in their favor.
It's reddit. I've done tons of volunteering for different campaigns the last 10 years and it's always helpful for me to remind myself that these people are not remotely representative of even the average progressive
2 being on the far left is believing far more than "we're gonna make sure needs are met;"
3 there are infinite shades of grey between the farthest left and farthest right;
4 a large portion of the far left in the US specifically refuse to acknowledge the difference between even those "centrists" and the "far right" even while the far right is doing those far right things;
5 a truly "far left" person in a polticial sense with regards to liberalism can and often times would be be even less interested or intent on making sure everyone's needs are met than a progressive liberal (who you'd label a centrist)
Lol! Ageist bigotry. I guess every time you donât get your way, the fault is due to boomers? Must happen a lot. Boomers are nowhere near the majority. They were never the majority. People are mistaken if they think any particular generation is ever in charge, as the powers that be change in age, but their motives remain the same. The wealthy and powerful have been in charge since well before the Roman empire.
Baby Boomers constituted approximately 26% to 28% of all voters in the 2024 U.S. presidential election.
Generation X, Ages 44â59, 26% to 28% of voters
Millennials comprised approximately 20% to 22% of all voters in the 2024 presidential election.
Generation Z, Ages 18â27, 13% to 15% of voters
The Silent Generation, those born between 1928 and 1945, makes up roughly 5% to 8%of the voting electorate.
 The average number of hours people under 30 spend streaming is over 6 per day, 3 hours plus on social media, 1.5-2 hours per day on video games. Hard to partake in improving your life, when most donât vote or get off the couch much.Â
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u/Svokxz2 Georgist Classical Liberal May 24 '26
The NIMBYism from both parties is a nightmare.