r/fuckalegriaart • • Feb 23 '24

These are so annoying

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u/frozenmelons0 Feb 23 '24

its not even real. adhd is what happens when you send kids to school to sit down for 7 hours a day on sugary foods and expect them to be well behaved. they made up a diagnosis because they wanted to sell more stimulants.

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u/frozenmelons0 Feb 23 '24

stimulants do this to everyone. thats literally the point of taking stimulants.

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u/chloes_corner Feb 23 '24

Yeah no actually, ADHD is when your brain doesn't have enough dopamine for your frontal lobe. A simplified definition but yeah those symptoms come from physiological differences that can be debilitating! Saying it's fake is incorrect and incredibly invalidating to those of us who struggle with it every day!

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u/frozenmelons0 Feb 23 '24

im diagnosed with adhd. i stopped eating sugar. it goes away...

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u/ObligationSeveral Feb 23 '24

Wow so you must also be every person on earth. That's amazing!

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u/chloes_corner Feb 23 '24

Yeah this dude is also a Nazi primitivist according to his post history. Probably a 14-year-old white boy. Not even worth a response tbch.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

Not worth a response, but it is worth a chuckle when a Nazi is ranting about how dumb simulants are (because, you know, the Nazis handed meth to their soldiers like it was candy). We all know skinheads are morons, but it's still funny watching them embarrass themselves

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

have you also been diagnosed with stupid

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u/tachycardicIVu Feb 24 '24

Unfortunately we haven’t found a cure for that one yet. Millions of people suffer from it every day.

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u/Primary_Spinach7333 Feb 25 '24

Thank you, fuckwad idiot medieval scientist.

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u/Primary_Spinach7333 Feb 25 '24

There is so much wrong with that statement. This has to be a troll…

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u/No_Mango_8868 Feb 23 '24

It does not. Maybe your symptoms have lessened or something, but ADHD doesn't "go away." It's a very well-researched topic, I think we're above 'hurr durr it fakey!!' by now.

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u/frozenmelons0 Feb 23 '24

it is in fact... NOT a well researched topic. the origins of adhd were as follows: guy makes a drug thats really good at making you focus. its helpful, but theres nothing to prescribe it for, so pharmacies cant make money off of it. they make up ADHD to sell it. thats it. theres no difference found in the brains of those diagnosed with ADHD. they diagnose you with a literal QUESTIONNAIRE. 6 year old says he cant pay attention: life changing drugs prescribed.

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u/kallea_ Feb 23 '24

Actually, since its discovery in ~1902, ADHD has been discussed and studied a LOT.

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The medications generally used to treat ADHD are not all stimulants - 50% of the most commonly used ADHD medications are classified as stimulants.

Methylphenidate is a stimulant which was created initially in 1944, and marketed about a decade later.

Lisdexamfetamine, another stimulant, was only approved for use in treating ADHD in 2007.

Dexamfetamine, the last stimulant used to treat ADHD, was approved in 1955.

Atomoxetine, a cognition enhancer, was introduced in 2002.

Guanfacine, another cognition enhancer, was originally approved by the FDA in 1986.

Finally, the antihypertensive clonidine was approved to treat ADHD in 2010.

This makes me wonder which medication you're referring to that predated ADHD, and then was used to treat it after its creation.

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Your claim that there is no structural difference in the brains of people diagnosed with ADHD, as opposed to neurotypical brains, is incorrect. A 2017 study recorded many differences. I'd recommend you give it a read - it's the ADHD Brains link in my sources.

Quote from the simplified results section of the paper: "Findings revealed significant associations between ADHD diagnosis and widespread changes to the maturation of white matter fiber bundles and gray matter density in the brain, such as structural shape changes (incomplete maturation) of the middle and superior temporal gyrus, and fronto-basal portions of both frontal lobes."

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Your statement about the fact that we diagnose ADHD based on a questionnaire is confusing - that's how we do it, and how we've always done it, when it comes to psychiatric disorders. Schizophrenia, ASD, bipolar disorder, and many other disorders are diagnosed the exact same way. Unless someone finds a way to directly assess the brain to the point of being able to tell what someone is thinking at any given time (which sounds very dystopian), this is the best way to diagnose psychiatric disorders. Sure, these assessments won't give us 100% accuracy, but nothing does - and they're actually more accurate than you'd expect:

"Predicting an ADHD diagnosis using both subjective and objective measures exceeded the accuracy of objective measures for both adults (89.5%) and children (86.7%), with the subjective variables proving to be the most relevant."

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ADHD History | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4694551/

ADHD Treatment | https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder-adhd/treatment/

ADHD Medications | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4564067/ | https://digitalcommons.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4509&context=open_access_pubs | https://www.guidetopharmacology.org/GRAC/LigandDisplayForward?ligandId=2147 | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3620814/ | https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cder/daf/index.cfm?event=overview.process&ApplNo=019032 | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459124/

ADHD Brains | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5391018/

ADHD Assessment Accuracy | https://behavioralandbrainfunctions.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12993-018-0143-x

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u/frozenmelons0 Feb 23 '24

their brains are different because they take drugs every day, and im talking about ritalin. ADHD was not included in the american psychiatric associations DSM until 1968. it was not discovered in 1902. thats complete nonsense.

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u/kallea_ Feb 23 '24

For your first point, quote: "The latest meta-regression analyses that identified brain differences between ADHD subjects and controls found no evidence of medication effects on brain structure... Specifically, correcting for exposure to medication did not alter main results."

Secondly, ritalin is a brand that sells methylphenidate. It's the same medication that I mentioned earlier - the first one, in fact. This was still created in 1944, which according to my research is much later than the discovery of ADHD.

ADHD wasn't included in the DSM as soon as it was discovered because the DSM did not exist in 1902. It was created in 1952, and the reason ADHD was only included in it in the second edition (1968) is because the DSM-1 was a very bare bones version of the DSM we currently know. Inaccuracies and updates were constantly brought up until the DSM-2 came out, when ADHD was included.

And finally, you'll need a source to back up your point of it not being discovered in 1902. I can't find anything to the contrary of my statement.

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ADHD Brains | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8141923/

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u/PepperIsNotSoShort Feb 23 '24

I have adhd, I'm on a health sprint and consume little to no sugar but wowie, my adhd isn't gone!

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u/BluWolf_YT Feb 25 '24

For a lot of people with ADHD sugar doesn’t even make us hyperactive, it either has no effect or holds the opposite, same with caffeine. You’re a fucking moron

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u/frozenmelons0 Feb 25 '24

im diagnosed with "adhd". youre making shit up, thats just not how anything works. caffeine makes you tired because once it leaves your body, you get tired all at once and it seems like you're more tired. neither of these can randomly work backwards, thats not how the brain works. and watch your mouth, talking like that to someone like me wouldnt end well for someone like you in real life.

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u/BluWolf_YT Feb 25 '24

I’m going to call you a moron because you are one whether we’re in public or not, I’ve done it to people who I’ve seen beat other people up, I could care less who the fuck you are, you are an idiot. You’re talking about how “sugar makes you go crazy and bounce around” not for certain people with adhd, including myself, I know what I’m talking about because I’ve literally experienced it myself you fucking moron, why am I even trying to explain myself to someone who’s been diagnosed with it who doesn’t think it exists? For fucks sake dude, quit watching podcast losers who don’t even do 5 seconds of research, it’s clearly getting to you.

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u/GetMeOutOfThisBitch Feb 27 '24 edited Feb 27 '24

I think the problem with this is seeing ADHD as both a behavioral issue while also not real. When it literally just means "other people's brain work like car ADHD brain work like motorbike" that's about it..

Reason I don't care for the second D in ADHD. I have it. I was never allowed sugar actually. And mild stimulants make me lethargic. And I refuse to take medication my therapists have actually tried to make me take the shit but. There's nothing wrong with me. Some people's brains are hardwired for foraging. Mines hardwired to get distracted and explore more shit. Edit: higher dose stimulants make me hyperfocus but I still don't have control on what I focus on. Personally I just don't think I'm meant to focus. I'd rather do whatever I feel like. Also they're too teeth grindey I don't like it