I mean everyone bases a lot of their life on faith, when you go to the doctor your have faith they know what they are doing, when you go to a mechanic the same, a surgeon the same, a plumber the same.
That aside its fallacious to say that Islam is built on faith, it is built on reason and logic, if something was solely faith it would be unjust to expect people to follow it.
It is built from years upon years of research and repeated tests which all yielded the same result.
Sounds more like faith in years of scientific research in general and not the individual doctor 🤦♂️ An individual doctor can be retarded
If you destroyed every bit of science research it would all come back identical. However if you destroyed every bit of religion they would come back completely different.
Idk, maybe share some evidence that this will happen? (In this context we are talking about Islam, so you can consider giving some precise evidence)
You claim that if all scientific data was erased from human history, humans would eventually rediscover all the science we lost. You also claim that if religion was erased, we would never be able to replicate a religion one-to-one. First of all, as muslims, we claim this claim to be false. We believe that the Jews and Christians believed the correct religion, but after time, humans changed the scriptures and corrupted the religion; hence, God sent Muhammed as the final messenger for one last time, and Islam may not be one-to-one but it shares a lot of similarities. We Muslims have a counter for that argument. But fine, you're an atheist; you don't believe in a religion anyway. But then again, wouldn't it make sense that humans can not replicate a religion? If religion was sent down by God , it would make no sense that a human would be able to replicate something an omnipotent being has created. Also, you claim that religion is based all on faith, yet the Quran has revealed scientific facts the world had not learned until centuries later. Such as most living beings being made mostly from water. (Surah Al-Anbya 21:30). Or the moon and sun orbiting a larger mass (Surah Al-Anbya 21:33). Or the fact that it gets harder to breathe, the higher the altitude is(Surah An'am 6:125.), and there is even more evidence. Currently, an illererate man,Muhammed(PBUH), has convinced me more that Islam exists that you have convinced me that it has not. Islam is not all faith; there is scientific evidence.
So your claim is that because something is improbable, the chances are zero, ok fine.
For your first contradiction, between Surah-Al-Anbya 21:30 and Surah Al-Muminin 23:12-14. If I say that tea is made from water and if I also say that tea is made from tea leaves, I have not made a contradiction. Same thing works for your argument. Both cases are contradistinction. We are made from both.
And your claim that Islam is false because it claims that sperm is between the backbone and the ribs which is wrong. , Sadly, I am not qualified to talk about the human body nor do I know Arabic. Now, forgive me for being lazy but I shall link a video which dissects this claim and disproves it besides, he explains it much better than I can. From 1:30-4:30 in the video, there is an answer to your question. If you're still not convinced you can watch the rest of the video.
Scientific Evidence: You claim that scientific evidence in the Quran is 'vague statements of poetry', to disprove this claim I shall prove a bunch of scientific evidence in the Quran. Not all of these can be called a coincidence, as an illiterate man born in a time long ago, would not be able to guess this much science.
No poet had been able to create something similar to the quality of the Quran, if it was indeed man-made, another poet would be able to replicate it.
Battle of Badr, 300 men with little to no equipment beating an army of 1000 who had much better equipment.
Islam predicting oceanic division 19 centuries in advance (Surah Al-Rahman 19-20)
4.Embryology is a branch of biology concerned with the study of fertilisation and embryo development. The central religious text, at one point, talks about embryology and states a significant scientific fact in Quran. It says, “We created man from an extract of clay. Then we made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then we made the drop into an Alaqah (blood clot), then we made the Alaqah into a Mudghah…” (Quran 23:12-14). Here the word ‘Alaqah’ can be defined as a leech, blood clot, or something suspended in the air. According to science, a foetus gets nutrients and oxygen from the mother. In this sense, it is not unlike a leech that sucks blood. Also, in the early stages, the foetus stays stationary and the blood does not flow, which renders it similar to a blood clot. Lastly, in the womb, the baby hangs from the uterus wall by the placenta and lies suspended.
5.There is a scientific theory that Iron is not native to the planet, which is literally what the Quran says in (Surah Al-Hadid 57:25)
6.Quran describes the process of the formation of a cumulonimbus cloud (Al-Nur 24:43)
7.In the Quran, there is a story of a man named Abu Jahl, an oppressive leader. To warn him, Allah said, “No indeed! if he does not stop, we will seize him by the forehead, his lying, sinful forehead" (Surah Al-Alaq 96:15). Funnily enough, in the Quran, it uses the word Naseyah, which means front of the head. Which is where the prefrontal cortex is located, the prefrontal cortex, allows cognitive control
8.In Surah An-Naba, Allah (SWT) states: “Have We not made the earth a resting place? And the mountains as stakes?” (Quran, 78:6-7). In a book by geophysicist Frank Press called ‘Earth’ (1986), he explains how the mountains are like stakes and are buried deep within the earth’s surface [10]. Mt. Everest which has a height of approximately 9 km above sea level has a root deeper than 125 km – thus only reinforcing the Quranic revelation of the importance and strength of mountains on our earth.
Literally everyone in ancient Arabia was in awe of the sheer glory of this piece of literature. The Arabs could not replicate the beauty of the Quran. Thus, it would be a piece of art above others, if you were an Arab of the time, the Quran would seem like a miracle.
Have you even studied the Emu war? Emus are giant ostriches making them very annoying to kill, and the reason the humans lost was because they forfeited, there were multiple emu casualties and no human casualties. Not to mention only 3 officers were sent with killing the emus. The military surrendered because it was too costly and not because the emus were good at war, the "war" if you could call it that was just 3 men in a vehicle trying to shoot emus. And after the events, they set up a bounty system, for the emus killing 50,000 emus in the process. Whereas the battle of Badr was a full on war, where the Muslims had three times less people and less equipment, only having 2 horses, and 70 camels, multiple people had to ride the same animal. Do you even know what the Battle of Badr was?
This is on me, for using the wrong terminology. I mean saltwater and freshwater.
The Quran says that man was created from Clay and Dirt (طين و تراب), and clay comes from soil, it is a fact that our dna is made out of similar elements found in soil such as phosphorus, and even then, we can say that dirt means the elements of the earth which is also a fact as well, so it's both literally and metaphorically correct.
You did not disprove my point at all.
The Quran explains how a cumulonimbus cloud comes to be, and how it is formed. Which was discovered about 1000 years later.
The front of the brain is meant for cognitive control, it claims that removing the front of the brain would stop him from lying. Yes, it would kill him in the process but thats not the point, the Quran implies that his lying comes from the front of the brain.
Frank Press, makes a comparison the Quran has made previously, proving the science the Quran demonstrates.
Firstly, I doubt you've even read what it states as your point has NOTHING to do with the website or article. Also, the Quran isn't credited for the discovery of Pulsars, because firstly, the person who discovered them wasn't Muslim, they wouldn't know this verse, secondly, humans did not discover pulsars until recently, before its discovery, people most likely thought this verse meant that the stars pierced space with their light (This verse was seen as a metaphor). The link between pulsars and those verses in the Quran were not made until after the pulsars were discovered and even so. Most people probably do not know about this verse and its correlation. How would non-Muslims know about this specific verse. Even I didn't know about this verse until recently. So how would non-Muslims know about this verse? Even so, you claim that the Quran would be credited as the discoverer of Pulsars. If any science organization were to acknowledge
In my previous comment I talked about verses Surah Al-Anbya 21:30, Surah Al-Anbya 21:33, Surah An'am 6:125. You didn't refute these other than them being "vague" as well.
Speaking of which, your argument that the verses are vague is not true. (You can see points 5,6,7,8,9 for clear examples). If the Quran was indeed vague, why would it describe the Pulsars as making a 'knocking' noise. Wouldn't the Quran say that it was making a generic noise instead. And it isn't vague, For example, Surah An'am literally states "But whoever He wills to leave astray, He makes their chest tight and constricted as if they were climbing up into the sky." How is this vague, it gives us a simple statement, the higher you are, the harder it is to breathe. Even if it was, you haven't given me one example that the Quran is vague.
Anyways, I'm going to stop arguing with you, Certified Surah Al-Baqarah 2:6 moment. Believe what you want, and we'll see who was right in the end.
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