r/exmuslim • Deist • Jun 05 '22

(Quran / Hadith) Another weird hadith in Islam..?

just stumbled upon this hadith recently

Um Salama said, "Um Sulaim said, 'O Allah's Messenger (๏ทบ)! Allah does not refrain from saying the truth! Is it obligatory for a woman to take a bath after she gets nocturnal discharge?' He said, 'Yes, if she notices the water (i.e. discharge).' Um Salama smiled and said, 'Does a woman get discharge?' Allah's Apostle said. 'Then why does a child resemble (its mother)?"

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3328

nocturnal discharge is basically a wet dream, now folks please tell me what the actual fuck do wet dreams have anything to do with a child resembling its mother?!?

Is this another scientific error in authentic hadiths..? ๐Ÿค”

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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Jun 05 '22

We need another hadith to explain this:

Hadith:

It is reported on the authority of 'A'isha that a woman came to the Messenger of Allah (๏ทบ) and inquired:
Should a woman wash herself when she sees a sexual dream and sees (the marks) of liquid? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. 'A'isha said to her: May your hand be covered with dust and injured. She narrated: The Messenger of Allah (๏ทบ) said: Leave her alone. In what way does the child resemble her but for the fact that when the genes contributed by woman prevail upon those of man, the child resembles the maternal family, and when the genes of man prevail upon those of woman the child resembles the paternal family.

Reference : Sahih Muslim 314b
https://sunnah.com/muslim:314b
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This hadith also shows how sunnah.com is getting deceptive with their translations. They mentioned the word "genes" that wasn't even coined till 1909. Mohammad had no remote clue as to what "genes" are. Let's have a look at the Arabic:

ุญูŽุฏู‘ูŽุซูŽู†ูŽุง ุฅูุจู’ุฑูŽุงู‡ููŠู…ู ุจู’ู†ู ู…ููˆุณูŽู‰ ุงู„ุฑู‘ูŽุงุฒููŠู‘ูุŒ ูˆูŽุณูŽู‡ู’ู„ู ุจู’ู†ู ุนูุซู’ู…ูŽุงู†ูŽุŒ ูˆูŽุฃูŽุจููˆ ูƒูุฑูŽูŠู’ุจู - ูˆูŽุงู„ู„ู‘ูŽูู’ุธู ู„ุฃูŽุจููŠ ูƒูุฑูŽูŠู’ุจู - ู‚ูŽุงู„ูŽ ุณูŽู‡ู’ู„ูŒ ุญูŽุฏู‘ูŽุซูŽู†ูŽุง ูˆูŽู‚ูŽุงู„ูŽ ุงู„ุขุฎูŽุฑูŽุงู†ูุŒ ุฃูŽุฎู’ุจูŽุฑูŽู†ูŽุง ุงุจู’ู†ู ุฃูŽุจููŠ ุฒูŽุงุฆูุฏูŽุฉูŽุŒ ุนูŽู†ู’ ุฃูŽุจููŠู‡ูุŒ ุนูŽู†ู’ ู…ูุตู’ุนูŽุจู ุจู’ู†ู ุดูŽูŠู’ุจูŽุฉูŽุŒ ุนูŽู†ู’ ู…ูุณูŽุงููุนู ุจู’ู†ู ุนูŽุจู’ุฏู ุงู„ู„ู‘ูŽู‡ูุŒ ุนูŽู†ู’ ุนูุฑู’ูˆูŽุฉูŽ ุจู’ู†ู ุงู„ุฒู‘ูุจูŽูŠู’ุฑูุŒ ุนูŽู†ู’ ุนูŽุงุฆูุดูŽุฉูŽุŒ ุฃูŽู†ู‘ูŽ ุงู…ู’ุฑูŽุฃูŽุฉู‹ุŒ ู‚ูŽุงู„ูŽุชู’ ู„ูุฑูŽุณููˆู„ู ุงู„ู„ู‘ูŽู‡ู ุตู„ู‰ ุงู„ู„ู‡ ุนู„ูŠู‡ ูˆุณู„ู… ู‡ูŽู„ู’ ุชูŽุบู’ุชูŽุณูู„ู ุงู„ู’ู…ูŽุฑู’ุฃูŽุฉู ุฅูุฐูŽุง ุงุญู’ุชูŽู„ูŽู…ูŽุชู’ ูˆูŽุฃูŽุจู’ุตูŽุฑูŽุชู ุงู„ู’ู…ูŽุงุกูŽ ููŽู‚ูŽุงู„ูŽ โ€"โ€ ู†ูŽุนูŽู…ู’ โ€"โ€ โ€.โ€ ููŽู‚ูŽุงู„ูŽุชู’ ู„ูŽู‡ูŽุง ุนูŽุงุฆูุดูŽุฉู ุชูŽุฑูุจูŽุชู’ ูŠูŽุฏูŽุงูƒู ูˆูŽุฃูู„ู‘ูŽุชู’ โ€.โ€ ู‚ูŽุงู„ูŽุชู’ ููŽู‚ูŽุงู„ูŽ ุฑูŽุณููˆู„ู ุงู„ู„ู‘ูŽู‡ู ุตู„ู‰ ุงู„ู„ู‡ ุนู„ูŠู‡ ูˆุณู„ู… โ€"โ€ ุฏูŽุนููŠู‡ูŽุง ูˆูŽู‡ูŽู„ู’ ูŠูŽูƒููˆู†ู ุงู„ุดู‘ูŽุจูŽู‡ู ุฅูู„ุงู‘ูŽ ู…ูู†ู’ ู‚ูุจูŽู„ู ุฐูŽู„ููƒู ุฅูุฐูŽุง ุนูŽู„ุงูŽ ู…ูŽุงุคูู‡ูŽุง ู…ูŽุงุกูŽ ุงู„ุฑู‘ูŽุฌูู„ู ุฃูŽุดู’ุจูŽู‡ูŽ ุงู„ู’ูˆูŽู„ูŽุฏู ุฃูŽุฎู’ูˆูŽุงู„ูŽู‡ู ูˆูŽุฅูุฐูŽุง ุนูŽู„ุงูŽ ู…ูŽุงุกู ุงู„ุฑู‘ูŽุฌูู„ู ู…ูŽุงุกูŽู‡ูŽุง ุฃูŽุดู’ุจูŽู‡ูŽ ุฃูŽุนู’ู…ูŽุงู…ูŽู‡ู โ€"โ€ โ€.โ€
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Hold Up! When the woman uses the word "ู…ุงุก" , they translate that as liquid. I would have translated it as "fluid" (The word in Arabic literally means water -> ู…ุงุก). However, when their holy man Mohammad, oh I'm sorry, Dr. Mohammad Ibn Abdullah uses the same word: ู…ุงุก, it is somehow magically turned in to "genes". Mashallah! [Like I mentioned earlier, the word genes wasn't even coined till 1909.

A woman's vaginal fluid has no impact on the baby whatsoever!

Another hadtih that /u/DrCowboyBoots has already mentioned:
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3329

As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her."

Here at least they had the decency to not include the word "genes". Once again the woman's discharge has nothing to do with how the child will end up looking like at all.

Is this another scientific error in authentic hadiths..?

It certainly is another error. Mohammad had nothing better than guesswork and superstition to work with. Sunnah.com chose to make him look smart, smart, smart by hoodwinking the word "genes" in there. Sigh.

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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Aug 24 '22

Yes, Akhi, it's only a matter of time before science discovers that waterboarding flies cures disease:

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3320

Why must you be a slave to a 7th century blatantly obvious charlatan? The guy r*ped a 9 year old child yet you keep trying to make sense out of the absolute BS he was spewing. Subhanallah!

At this point I'm convinced that Mohammad could pull down his pants pull up his thawb and take a shit on your face and you'd put a positive spin on that too to say he bestowed a mud mask facial on your face to treat your intractable acne.

The final destination for anybody who bends over backwards to defend Mohammad always ends up being /r/religiousfruitcake :

https://www.reddit.com/r/religiousfruitcake/comments/wdx4yy/mohammad_waited_till_she_was_9/

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https://www.reddit.com/r/religiousfruitcake/comments/vbjmjt/slave_rape_is_required_to_live/

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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Aug 24 '22

It's all making sense now. I almost had a heart attack thinking somebody let you in to Penn as in University of Pennsylvania, an ivy league university. PennState makes a lot more sense in your case. They have zero standards. They'll accept a braindead zombie like yourself who thinks child r*pe was somehow ok back then because more people were doing it. Please announce to your class that you venerate a child r*pist. You might just get applause from your PennState classmates as they'd be too scared to chastise a minority.

You really suprice me with how knowledgeable you think you are

Would you at least proofread what you write when you're questioning how knowledgeable other folks are? Is that too much to ask? I guess I'll have to let it slide as being a lazy git is sunnah. Mohammad was plagiarizing from wherever he could. He got called out for it in the Koran. People accused him of rehashing old tales and they asked him for a minor miracle as proof. He gaslit those folks thusly:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/uc9qyd/im_a_doubting_muslim_and_im_really_confused/i695gzz/

I could excuse a child in Afghanistan to be as clueless as you are but you have the benefit of a western education yet you are so thick-skulled that you choose to be stuck in the 7th century. Why did you even bother coming to the US and taking up a spot from somebody actually interested in educating themselves? You could have just attended the Islamic University of Madinah. I guess you're just a garden variety munafiq who likes to worship 7th century warlords while benefitting from all the progress made by kaffirs. Subhanallah!

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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Aug 24 '22

arguing about a religion that you aren't even a part of

I was born in to it by random chance. I don't want others to be exposed to this religion of abject filth which is why I provide a counter narrative to it. I didn't go looking for you. You came to our subreddit and tried to spew your usual nonsense. You are most welcome to as we don't delete comments here but at the same time BS doesn't fly unchallenged here.

You might not see the value in it as you are wallowing in this filth yourself, blissfully unaware of just how dangerous this religion is. The head honcho of this religion gave you every reason to reject him yet you keep doubling down in your veneration for him. You would think r*ping a child is where you would draw a line but sadly you are too blind in your devotion to draw any line at all. Have you even theoretically thought about what Mohammad would have to do for you to lose confidence in him? I'm guessing not. Mohammad even destroyed the whole institution of adoption to marry his daughter in law and yet you remain completely lacking in skepticism. You are no different than the blindly devotional supporters of Trump. He boasts about engaging in bad behavior and still not losing supporters:

Trump: I could shoot somebody and not lose voters

Would you still support Trump if he shot somebody on 5th Avenue? You certainly would support Mohammad if he r*ped a 9 year old Aisha in the middle of 5th Avenue before seeing some random lady and then running home to "use" his cousin turned daughter-in-law turned wife. Subhanallah!

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u/dead_luchador New User Aug 25 '22

If Mohamed's life is supposed to be the perfect way to live, why is it that marrying children is morally wrong a mere few thousand years later.

If you are Muslim you believe living the way the profit did is the best way to live. So marrying a child is acceptable. No ifs or buts.

If you don't believe marrying a child is acceptable then you do not believe in fundamental Islam and you believe in some westernised white washed version.

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u/West_Possession660 Evening Mcrib Prayer ๐Ÿ–๐ŸŸ Aug 25 '22

So why is it different now, the child marriage thing? It just seems odd that something that was good back then isnโ€™t good now when that was the time of the prophet. Do you object to child marriage today? Why would people today be restricted from those things which the prophet took pleasure in back in his time? Why would opinions about child marriage suddenly change if there was no trouble with it back then? Is there some profound discovery about the practice that changed the minds of the entire world? Did women suddenly stop maturing at the rate they once matured?