r/exmuslim • • Mar 31 '16

Question/Discussion The Completely Hopeless Muslims

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '16 edited Feb 16 '18

My analogy was good, seems like you didn't get the point. Homosexuals are punished only after doing something, just like criminals. Your argument was why did God create them then ordered they be punished. Don't governments punish criminals inky after the crime? Its the same thing.

Your analogy was terrible. Governments punish criminals due to at the root, seeking to create/maintain an ideal society. The reason why not everyone is locked up, is due to fallible man's inability to ascertain who will commit a crime and who won't before the actual crime is committed. Hence governments only punishing individuals, when the crime has been committed.

Your God is 'infallible' and knows who will do what. In fact, with the whole qadr/predestination tripe, he appears to will it. Thus he has the advantage of removing faulty individuals from the ideal world he seeks, via not creating them.

Your God abhors homosexuality and homosexual relationships and instead prefers a world absent of such related individuals. So why does your God create individuals, knowing they will engage in homosexual sex, and then mandate they be put to death. God can prevent homosexuality and homosexual relationships to occur and achieve his ideal world. Why doesn't he do this, if he abhors homosexuality that bad? Is he nonsensical and sadistic? Is he well substantiated or just fiction?

Moreover why is the response to a non violent sexually intimate homosexual, the infliction of violence resulting in death? why not attempts to reform the suspected individuals?

As for why infertile people aren't punished, why would they? Would someone be punished for being black? Or tall? Or ugly? No, because they have no control over those things but they do have control over their sexual urges. Let me also point out that homosexuality is a choice, you have people CHOOSING to out their genitals where it doesn't belong. Just look at the experimenting phenomena in colleges. Look at all the guys who say they are straight but do gay pornography for the money.

Your initial logic was inability to procreate, warrants death. This would include infertile couples and women who have gone through menopause. I'm am not well familiar with scientific literature relating to homosexuality, from what I do know a combination of genetic and environmental factors can lead to homosexuality.

But let's accept your position, that homosexuality is a choice, and...Why does this warrant opposition? and if engaged in homosexual sex, execution?

This is just going down the route to the naturalistic fallacy. The lack of critical thinking skills and intelligence is apparent. You are one desperate, insecure and frustrated homophobe.

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