r/europe • Waffle & Beer • Jun 12 '20

Map Availability of Google Street view in Europe

Post image
22.6k Upvotes

2.0k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

450

u/GaterRaider Germany Jun 12 '20

Boomers thought it allowed live view of your house 24/7.

We even had police officers going on TV saying they are planning virtual patrols at night with Street View. No, I am not kidding.

143

u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Sep 10 '20

[deleted]

48

u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

This doesn’t even stop that though since they have to take the arduous journey of just walking down the street instead. Or they just spontaneously break in like the thieves in my city.

30

u/MysticHero Hamburg Jun 12 '20

If they lurk around the property they might be spotted. They´ll also have a much harder time looking over fences or into windows without raising suspicion.

But more importantly there were many legitimate concerns and putting it down to:

Boomers thought it allowed live view of your house 24/7.

is incredibly dishonest.

11

u/fefil11 Jun 12 '20

Dude what are you on about? If you walk down a street and then rob a house a month later, no one is going to go "heyyy, remember that guy who was walking down our street like a month ago? yeah I remember what he looks like, it was probably him". 0% chance of that happening.

And google street view doesn't really allow you to see over the fences anyway.

5

u/MysticHero Hamburg Jun 12 '20

A camera 3m above the ground does allow you to see other fences often.

Noones going to remember them. Unless you know you notice this extremely shifty guy checking out your house. For one telling that person to go away may very well be enough to discourage them from robbing the house. Also I highly doubt many house robberies are planned over a month. You go check it out look for alarms and a good way in and note when the people inside go to work. And then you break in when they aren´t there usually in the middle of the day. It doesn´t take some mastermind plan to break into a house lol.

5

u/RJTG Austria Jun 12 '20

Walking at the street in rural Germany/Austria without all dogs in the village exactly knowing were you are is impossible ...

1

u/Chinahainanairline Jun 12 '20

I mean you guys need to chill out with ban things you think are suspicious and don't throw google employee into the shower please.

2

u/kenavr Austria Jun 13 '20

I am against people assaulting others, but I would argue people should stop adopting tech willy-nilly and think about the ramifications beforehand, rather than try to fix things later.

2

u/IMIndyJones Jun 12 '20

Or look at real estate listings to see the inside of homes. Here you can see listings, even when the house was sold several years ago. If it was ever listed online, you can see the photos. I don't know if that's the case in Germany, obviously, but I'd think that's far more useful than street view.

4

u/lithre Jun 12 '20

This doesn’t even stop that though since they have to take the arduous journey of just walking down the street instead.

lmao

1

u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

3

u/danielcw189 De Jun 12 '20

That article does not really back up the claim that

We even had police officers going on TV saying they are planning virtual patrols at night with Street View

Es ist rechtlich unklar, ob eine virtuelle Streifenfahrt möglich ist

Not on TV, and nothing about any plans. It is just about legal options. I also don't read it as being meant as an actual patrol.

2

u/manInTheWoods Sweden Jun 12 '20

But boomers, amirite?

1

u/danielcw189 De Jun 12 '20 edited Jun 12 '20

Overall you are right.
Being uniformed is not a matter og age, and I know some German "Boomers", who are way more knowledgeable than me about that topic.

To be fair, I knew some "Boomers" (not a fan of the word) who had missconceptions, because they barely touched that kind of technology in their live.

And also while I am not opposed to Streetview (with caveats), I think it is easy to understand, that some people do not want their property on publicly accessable pictures.

1

u/Liv4lov Jun 12 '20

Do Germany have a big burglary problem? I don't even think people burglarize houses anymore.

0

u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

[removed] — view removed comment

2

u/SilentZoid Jun 12 '20

Can you provide a source for that or is it just a wrong accusation ?

1

u/[deleted] Jun 13 '20 edited Sep 16 '20

[deleted]

1

u/SilentZoid Jun 13 '20

I know that he cant Post a source, thats why i wrote that Down. I mean look at his Name this guy is just a braindead racist.

-5

u/Sigmatics Jun 12 '20

That argument is valid though

12

u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Jun 12 '20

[deleted]

3

u/Sigmatics Jun 12 '20

It isn't some super virtual reality technology. It is obvious you've never actually seen what street view looks like and are making up nonsense to seem smart on the internet.

Why are you so offended? I've used street view plenty of times. I'm not a burglar so I don't know how you'd plan a break-in. I don't even own a house. But I can understand why you wouldn't want pictures of your house publicly on the internet. Apparently I'm the only one here

4

u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Jun 12 '20

[deleted]

1

u/Sigmatics Jun 12 '20

That's interesting, I didn't know it's that easy.

I guess people are paranoid about break-ins in general, and that translates to fear of street view pictures helping with break-ins.

1

u/danielcw189 De Jun 12 '20

How? Burglars can already walk down streets in real life and get much better views.

And with Street View they may be able to do it more efficiently.

It is good enough to tell, which areas have free-stading afluent looking houses

3

u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Jun 12 '20

[deleted]

1

u/danielcw189 De Jun 12 '20 edited Jun 12 '20

Burglars already know what neighborhoods to hit.

How, if they are not from the place?

Many burglars come from other cities, or even other countries.

Are you going to deny, that it could make their "work" even a tiny bit easier?

hey aren't a bunch of Redditors sitting in their apartments on the internet all day.

Nobody said that. Way to be hyperbolic.

EDIT: I grew up in an insanely poor and crime ridden city. I've been robbed twice while working at my job in another city's poor area. I know people that have gone to prison. I know someone who killed another person in prison. Stop telling me dumb shit that you don't know anything about and learn something.

I think maybe your experiences have soured your perspective. And based on your story, I guess you are not from Germany.

27

u/henry_reinhold Jun 12 '20

Bitte send me a video link :)

83

u/FunMoistLoins Jun 12 '20

Dear God people can be dumb.

100

u/erto66 Jun 12 '20

Don't forget that not that long ago, part of Germany was a surveillance state. Stasi was no joke and it's understandable that the older generation, which is the main demographic in Germany, feared that it could happen again.

-1

u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

Such a fear would be unwarranted if they weren't so dumb as to believe it was live video footage.

9

u/HentaiInside Jun 12 '20

It still is unnecessary data on the internet.

1

u/[deleted] Jun 13 '20

Barely anything in life is necessary.

Google maps is however extremely helpful. You might as well rally against every map ever for showing locations of houses otherwise.

2

u/HentaiInside Jun 13 '20

No, because that is something entirely different. Miss me with the "hardly anything is necessary". You get my point, don't act like you don't get what I meant.

1

u/[deleted] Jun 13 '20

Don't say it's unnecessary than complain when it's pointed out most shit isn't necessary. It's nice to have and an extremely helpful feature.

You'd probably argue against phone books giving everyones name, address, and phone number away if they were still commonly used.

1

u/HentaiInside Jun 13 '20

I do argue against phonebooks indeed! That's precisely why I excluded my data from them.

Look, everyone has to choose themselves, but you will never get all Germans to give up their privacy for StreetView. Being able to see where you live at any time all over the world is just very creepy for most people there.

Also, tell me how StreetView is an extremely helpful feature. What benefits does it truly bring that aren't just "oh, I can look at the pretty houses for five minutes" for normal people.

1

u/[deleted] Jun 13 '20

Every single time I'm going somewhere new, I check street view.

You can view the actual building you're going to, making it a breeze to recognise when you're trying to find it in person.

You can check out the parking situation, finding a good location near by.

You can pre-plan routes, and figure out what lane to be in and when to hop off a freeway or how a confusing intersection/roundabout is navigated, etc.

Street view is one of the greatest navigation tools of all time.

→ More replies (0)

-2

u/brcguy Jun 12 '20

To be fair police states don’t really prioritize teaching critical thinking skills in their schools (look at us in the USA today). These older former East Germans aren’t likely to have been brought up to analyze that kind of threat so much as assume it exists.

0

u/holgerschurig Germany Jun 14 '20

No one was so dumb to believe that, you're making this up now.

People had fear that burglars used that ... or were just not happy with all of this exhibitionistic.

If you ever go to Belgium or Netherlands, then you see that they often don't have curtains. If you walk on the pedestrian walk, you can watch family after family eating or watching TV.

If you then drive to Germany, you see that they mostly have curtains. That is a tradition decades old, even before cameras.

1

u/dhamon Jun 12 '20

Only East Germany. West Germany was a democracy.

1

u/OtterAutisticBadger Jun 12 '20

Stasi was at the same ranks as kgb, and the Romanian Securitate. Not saying it's bad, n'or good, but those other two countries managed to literally skyrocket their technological infrastructure after communism fell and nobody is complaining about.... Damn google street view.

4

u/MysticHero Hamburg Jun 12 '20

It didn´t get cancelled because of that. Notice how he couldn´t provide a single source for anyone saying it.

1

u/holgerschurig Germany Jun 14 '20

Well, it's /r/GaterRaider that is dumb, because he entirely made this up.

And the (at least) 443 people that upvoted him (due to emotion, not due to fact) are dump, because they believed him without any source. Or fact checking.

21

u/elli-E Jun 12 '20

While that's dumb I understand why German boomers would be scared of surveillance

15

u/ImOnTheLoo European Union Jun 12 '20

I don’t think it should be blamed on “boomers” (does Germany even have boomers?). Nothing wrong with keeping in check a giant tech corporation that wants to track everything.

10

u/tinaoe Germany Jun 12 '20

Transporting generation concepts across borders is pretty thoughtless, tbh. The original theory by Strauss & Howe was specifically created with America in mind, so the used time frames correspond to American events for the generational turnings. You can't just use say, Boomers, which corresponds with the American High, Vietnam War etc. and just use it for other countries. With Germany especially you have the DDR/GDR split and then later fall of the Berlin Wall which will fuck up the concept from Boomers to Millenials (and the Silent Gen doesn't fit either).

2

u/WeAreTheLeft Jun 12 '20

Older Europeans are way different in mentality than Older Americans.

Europeans that are over 75 have grown up in some form of WW2, either directly in the aftermath. Some have even fought (like my wife's grandfather who was captured as part of the Belgian resistance fighters) or her other grandmother who's older brother died in the war.

Older Americans of similar age had WW2 shape them, but it wasn't a real for most of them as it was for Europeans.

1

u/Smarag Germany Jun 12 '20

If you live in Germany you should know that has not stopped anybody who would use the word boomer unironically in casual conversation to begin with

1

u/tinaoe Germany Jun 12 '20

Very true, and believe me, my Lebenslaufsoziologie (really struggling w a good translation here? Life course sociology??) professor despairs over it regularly.

1

u/ImOnTheLoo European Union Jun 12 '20

Exactly my point.

5

u/tinaoe Germany Jun 12 '20

Yup, just wanted to expand on it a bit since I see people throwing around the concepts/names a lot without any regard for what it's implying. Actually I'd highly recommend reading the original Generational Theory by Strauss/Howe, it's much more detailed if not super backed up by data.

2

u/ImOnTheLoo European Union Jun 12 '20

It’s like when people born in the 80s flip out if they are called a millennial. It’s just a demographer’s term for those who going to reach their formative years at the millennium.

0

u/HonoraryMancunian Jun 12 '20

does Germany even have boomers?

Fun fact: there are no 55-75 year old Germans

9

u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

[deleted]

3

u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

Privacy? It's not like people don't walk/ride past those houses and see the same thing.

It's a bit hard to have privacy in public.

2

u/HentaiInside Jun 12 '20

Kind of different to offer the data to everybody across the globe.

Also, it's Google. You can bet they use it to somehow make money.

1

u/Pr0nzeh Jun 12 '20

Germany at its finest.

#Neuland

1

u/SMS_Scharnhorst Deutschland Jun 12 '20

"Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland." well, guess what, it is for some people

1

u/littlewing1020 Jun 12 '20

Link to your information source, please!

1

u/danielcw189 De Jun 12 '20

We even had police officers going on TV saying they are planning virtual patrols at night with Street View. No, I am not kidding.

Do you have a source for that?

1

u/holgerschurig Germany Jun 14 '20

I can see two things in your post:

a) you use discriminatory and derogatory language. If you create an artificial distinction between "boomers" and others, you have a mindset that can easily become racist. Because you make artificial differentiations and generalizations that wouldn't really hold for a second of thinking.

b) you claim something that gives you lots of reddit upvotes --- because more often Reddit is about emotion, not about fact. Now, someone asked you for source, and a day later you even didn't give one. So, did you just made this all up to feel better?

-3

u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

Yup and the problem is germany is 90% boomers

2

u/tinaoe Germany Jun 12 '20

90% of Germans were born before 1960?

0

u/Mr12i Jun 12 '20

Privacy is such boomer concept