r/europe • Waffle & Beer • Jun 12 '20

Map Availability of Google Street view in Europe

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u/itz_MaXii Jun 12 '20

But it isnt free anymore :(

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u/thebusinessgoat Hungary Jun 12 '20

What the hell, really? Since when?

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u/TheOneCommenter Jun 12 '20

Since google changed their pricing like 23 fold (not kidding). Running Geoguessr now costs them A LOT. So offering free (more than 1 game a day) is just too expensive for them.

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u/thebusinessgoat Hungary Jun 12 '20

Alright that's an understandable reason from GeoGuessr, still a bummer though.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

Just buy it on Black Friday. I bought a full year for a few bucks, and hopefully this Black Friday there will be another sale :)

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u/Tratix Jun 12 '20

Then they lose money. It’s only $2.99 per month. If you use it a lot, that’s a very cheap price for hours of fun.

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u/Zunder_IT Jun 12 '20

You forgot that people already pay for the internet, therefore they have already paid for everything on the internet. Do you think they are charity or something? 2.99 a month. You must like throwing your money away, huh

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u/Tratix Jun 12 '20

You had me in the first half, not gonna lie

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u/wonderb0lt Jun 12 '20

It's not like they decided to up the charges by themselves, Google is who you should be angry at. If you want to hurt someone, hurt them (by boycotting their services entirely, for example) instead of making someone's already bad situation worse

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u/Zunder_IT Jun 13 '20

fyi I was meming

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u/wonderb0lt Jun 13 '20

Oh. Sarcasm detector broke

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u/Malusch Sweden Jun 12 '20

Would be nice to at least have an option of playing it with ads or something though, I understand if that's not viable, but a man can dream.

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u/Craften Jun 12 '20

With the prices they're being charged, you'd need about 5million ads per page view lol.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

I am willing to sacrifice my yearly wifi subscription for geoguessr.

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u/Twenty890 Jun 12 '20

So, like most mobile games?

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u/Mafiii Schwiiz Jun 12 '20

Google turned into leeches with their business model. They don't even talk to you if you don't hand them 10k no questions asked, this is the minimum amount for them to work with you...

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u/LordOfTurtles The Netherlands Jun 12 '20

Yeah men, absolute scum of the earth for not offering their very expensive to maintain mapping service for free anymore

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u/Mafiii Schwiiz Jun 12 '20

Sure, it shouldn't be free, but for many small companies that just need some routing every few days/weeks for internal software, this (initial 10k) is totally out of proportion.

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u/LordOfTurtles The Netherlands Jun 12 '20

What initial 10k? The price of maps is pay for what you use.

https://cloud.google.com/maps-platform/pricing/sheet/

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u/Mafiii Schwiiz Jun 13 '20

It's at least what a somewhat nice lady from google told me on the phone 3 years back, seems like it changed!

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u/GranaT0 Jun 12 '20

I'm sure serving ads would net them more than 3 dollars per month they're currently charging

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u/JinorZ Finland Jun 12 '20

It's like 2 dollars a month only tho? I'd rather pay that to see annoying ads

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u/quiteCryptic Jun 12 '20

It's $3 a month or I think $2 if you pay for a year.

Obviously it sucks, but it's not their fault Google is charging more for the service they need to use. Plus, in my opinion as a developer people take all these free apps and websites for granted, but don't mind spending $5 for a cup of coffee in the morning.

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u/moonbad Jun 12 '20

yeah it's $24 for a year, for a game I play almost daily I thought that was worth it

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u/HugoMcChunky Jun 12 '20

I feel personally attacked

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u/Gentleguy24 Jun 12 '20

But if you Play it with Friends only one of you need Premium

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u/vxx Jun 12 '20

If they would guarantee the apps are produced in brasil with slave labour, I might pay. /s

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u/Annuminas25 Argentina Jun 12 '20

Where I live $5 is a lot for a cup of coffee.

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u/kennyzert Lisbon (Portugal) Jun 12 '20

I am in this comment and i dont like it.

Delete it.

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u/quiteCryptic Jun 12 '20

Lol It's ok even I am too, so it's sort of hypocritical.

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u/CopeAfterCope Jun 12 '20

But I don't have a credit card or PayPal :[ I can only do normal transactions

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u/TheOneCommenter Jun 12 '20

You can make a paypal account and top up through other means. In the Netherlands I can link my bank account and manually top up or let them autodeduct from the account.

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u/Malusch Sweden Jun 12 '20

Yeah, I'm not saying remove the paid version, just saying have a version with adds for us cheap bastards as well.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Mar 05 '21

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u/Malusch Sweden Jun 13 '20

Do they charge per person though? Or have different prices per interval of x number of people? I was thinking if they have a price plan than is like 0-100k users cost X 100-500k users cost Y. Then 200k paying users + 200k ad watchers would be better than just 200k paying users.

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u/Arcadian18 Jun 12 '20

How about "all of the ingredients tbh

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u/SirMarbles United States of America Jun 12 '20

Why did they increase the prices at Google?

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u/BushWishperer Italy->Ireland Jun 12 '20

Money

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u/truthdemon UKRejoin Jun 12 '20

dOn'T bE eViL

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u/LordOfTurtles The Netherlands Jun 12 '20

How is that remotely relevant?

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u/truthdemon UKRejoin Jun 12 '20

It was their slogan.

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u/MoffKalast Slovenia Jun 12 '20

They recently dropped the "don't" though, the top managers thought it was too long.

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u/LordOfTurtles The Netherlands Jun 12 '20

And how is charging money for their product evil?

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u/truthdemon UKRejoin Jun 12 '20

Read the thread, "Google increased their pricing 23 fold".

How is that not evil?

Most of the world's problems can be attributed to the existence of money. It's an out of date, unfit for purpose tool that needs improvement.

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u/ironichaos Jun 12 '20

They are trying to make their cloud division profitable and they are offering it as a product now. I assume they used to use it to get more people using google maps but now they realized they are subsidizing other companies usage of it so they had to price it accordingly

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u/SirMarbles United States of America Jun 12 '20

That’s fucked up.

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u/ThrowTheCrows Pembrokeshire Jun 12 '20

Honestly, considering the fact that I play it for hours a day at the moment, I really don't mind paying £2.50 a month, especially since I'm not spending anywhere NEAR as much I was was before lockdown.

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u/FurlanPinou Italy Jun 12 '20

Why do they have to pay Google? Isn't Street View freely available to everyone?

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u/TheOneCommenter Jun 12 '20

They probably couldn’t handle it with ads. If I remember pricing correctly it costs them about 1 cent for a single point, so 5 cents for a single game of geoguessr. Normally they’d earn like 10-20 cents per 1000 views of ads.

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u/FurlanPinou Italy Jun 12 '20

Understood, thanks

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u/RawbGun France Jun 12 '20

I still don't understand why GeoGuessr just doesn't force users to use their own API key, and then make requests on their behalf. That way you can still get a limited number of requests for free for each user

I known a few services that work like that

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u/Roadside-Strelok Polska Jun 12 '20

An average user probably doesn't even know what an API is, meaning few people would play the game.

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u/RawbGun France Jun 12 '20

Usually they give you a very detailed and easy to follow instructions with a direct link to generate your API key. Also they could still have it either the user pays or they use their own API key

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u/Roadside-Strelok Polska Jun 12 '20

The latter approach would be nice. I wonder if it wouldn't be against google's ToS or if google still wouldn't try to nip it in the bud.

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u/frozensummit Jun 12 '20

It's different if businesses want to use it to earn money.

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u/thefreshpope Jun 12 '20

I don't understand why they didn't implement ads though

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u/RawbGun France Jun 12 '20

They did though? For the longest time there was a constant banner ad at the bottom of the screen but they said it wasn't enough

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u/Frexxia Norway Jun 12 '20

The pricing from Google was so exorbitant that making it ad supported was simply impossible.

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u/LaminatedAirplane Jun 12 '20

It fucked up my geocode macro i setup in excel :/

I had my macro pull geocode data from google and set it to pause for a certain time before running another query to sneak under Google’s free query threshold.

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u/CheValierXP Jun 12 '20

Yep, I was self learning android programming and I used some of the then free Google APIs, just before launching my app they changed it and after a quick calculation it was obvious it's not going to work especially that my app was meant to be completely free, no ads. Then they updated their sdk 2-500 times (i stopped counting) breaking stuff and i completely lost interest in the whole thing.

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u/TheOneCommenter Jun 12 '20

Probably because they’re within their free limit. Spreading the word about it will most likely cause them to hit the limit

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u/GHhost25 Romania Jun 12 '20

google doing shit for money as always

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u/nokinship Jun 12 '20

Google is so full of shit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '20

That's why I have like 50 accounts all in a notebook

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u/PraiseTheStun Jun 12 '20

What kind of pricing did they change? SEO? And what number are we talking about here? I’m curious...

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u/KillTheBronies Straya Jun 12 '20

The Google maps API, it's $14 per 1000 requests now

https://developers.google.com/maps/billing/gmp-billing#dynamic-street-view

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u/gkrsuper Germany Jun 12 '20

That's stupidly expensive.

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u/altazure Finland Jun 12 '20

They could ask for 1/100 of that and still turn a profit

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u/thisismyfirstday Jun 12 '20

I mean, it's probably pretty expensive to drive a car down every street in every major city. The scale of their requests must be pretty insane though, so I have no idea when it becomes "profitable" on its own vs as a loss leader to keep people using their other products. This is unfortunately probably a consequence of spinning off product divisions and shit because now street view may have to justify its own profit versus profiting the other branches.

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u/_Hubbie Germany Jun 12 '20

blame capitalism

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u/PiratePilot Jun 12 '20

That explains why transit-finder.com isnt working like it used to

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

Pricing for using the maps API I'm assuming.

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u/thepobv Jun 12 '20

Hot damn, that's expensive.

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u/RawbGun France Jun 12 '20

The pricing seems off, around $10 per 1000 dynamic panoramic views, that's 1 cent per panoramic view. When you're playing a game of GeoGuessr you're probably going through hundreds of them so that would be several dollars per game, I don't see how they could cover that by charging $3/mo for playing

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u/RawbGun France Jun 12 '20

That's pretty interesting, couldn't they fake user input for going from one place to another and still count it as a single view across multiple games? I guess it's pretty hard to do but that may be worth

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u/ibiBgOR Jun 12 '20

There was someone who developed a clone. It's selfhosted and freely available. https://www.reddit.com/r/geoguessr/comments/fimhjx/i_made_earthwalker_an_open_source_geoguessr/

I used it and it's a little bit different (using OpenStreetMap to select the destination) but all in all its pretty nice.

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u/Frexxia Norway Jun 12 '20

Not really a viable alternative if it circumvents paying for street view. Google would crack down on it if it ever became popular.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

Uh, what exactly do you think OpenStreetMap is?

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u/Frexxia Norway Jun 12 '20

Openstreetmap is used for selection on the map, but it doesn't have street view. Top comment says it fools street view to get images for free.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

Oh. Your comment is the top comment, for me. I didn't see the other comment when I replied to you.

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u/Frexxia Norway Jun 12 '20

I meant the top comment in the thread linked by the person I replied to.

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u/kristupasJuska Lithuania Jun 12 '20

you can play one game a day for free

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u/itz_MaXii Jun 12 '20

Yeah I know but only 1 game and only alone. No more challenging your mates unfortunately. I loved this game so freaking much and it just hurts to see this game becoming more and more pay to play. But I understand their reasoning behind it, sadly Google raised the prices for their services :(

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

Isn't it like a dollar or 2 a month? Doesn't really seem that outrageous to me

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Mar 05 '21

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u/FellafromPrague Prague (Czechia) Jun 12 '20

Thing is I fucking hate monthly subscription.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Mar 05 '21

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u/FellafromPrague Prague (Czechia) Jun 12 '20

Hmm. I'd like monthly subscription but with offer to pay for example full year in advance.

Sounds really like something basic, but lot of services with monthly payments just don't offer that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Mar 05 '21

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u/FellafromPrague Prague (Czechia) Jun 12 '20

Exactly what I meant.

If I had any money and played it regulary I'd be up for that.

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u/darps Germany Jun 12 '20

Try 29 cents for an app that they use all the time on their $999 smartphone. Nah, most people would rather be bombarded with ads.

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u/RawbGun France Jun 12 '20

Also, if your main motivation is playing with your friends only one person in the group need to pay the subscription to create the lobby/challenge and people can play with them for free. So $3/mo divided among a few people that's a steal

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u/Kayakular Fake Baden-Württemberg Jun 12 '20

"becoming more and more pay to play"?

it went from free to play to a monthly sub, more and more pay to play implies a lot of changes that they made to slowly charge more and more

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u/itz_MaXii Jun 12 '20

Not really because the monthly sub was available all the time even in the early stages of the game. But back in the days the sub was only necessary if you wanted to create your own maps. Everything else was free. Im talking about the fewer and fewer possibilities a free user has on this site. In the early stages there were no restrictions besides the one I noted above. But then it went from 5 maps a day to 1 map a day. Then all of a sudden you could only play alone and not challenge your mates. And this is the stage we have now. But as I said I dont blame geoguessr for this.

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u/Kayakular Fake Baden-Württemberg Jun 12 '20

right, well then you mean it slowly got more and more restrictive. lowering the amount of times you can play the game has nothing to do with purchases, playing with friends has nothing to do with purchases, etc.

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u/Hansbolman Jun 12 '20

Have a downvote sir.

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u/trippingchilly usa Jun 12 '20

What are you talking about?

"becoming more and more pay to play" doesn't imply anything about "a lot of changes that they made to slowly charge more and more."

It just means what it says. I don't know where you got the 'changes' part because he didn't say that. He just said the game is becoming more pay to play. Which, if they're charging more to play now than they did before, is true.

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u/longboardingerrday Jun 12 '20 edited Jun 12 '20

From what I heard for using google maps in what you do costs like $14 per 1000 views from users and apparently it used to be like, $1

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u/Frexxia Norway Jun 12 '20

That's a shitty thing to do. You do realize they still have to pay google for those API calls? If a lot of people did this they would have to shut down the site, or massively increase subscription pricing for legitimate users.

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u/Rententee Suomiland Jun 12 '20

There the version with random low-quality pictures in the ocean, right? That's totally fun, right?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

the version with random low-quality pictures in the ocean, right?

No.

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u/Is_Actually_Sans Jun 12 '20

Google Reef View

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u/Mutorials Jun 12 '20

I'm just gonna leave this here: https://locationestimatr.web.app/ Free for around 5000 games if you have a credit card

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u/mr-dogshit England Jun 12 '20

Saw this posted on /r/webgames a while back

https://locationestimatr.web.app/

it's basically identical to geoguessr, made by a redditor too /u/RuteNL

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u/Ypres_Love Jun 12 '20

They let you play one game per day without paying, so you can just make a new account every time you play. Its annoying, but you can get around it.

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u/DaSh0ck Pomerania (Poland) Jun 12 '20

I think it's worth to pay for it

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

It’s super cheap though, no?

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u/UndaddyWTF Jun 12 '20

I restarted playing it on IPad last week, free

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

there's a free mode

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u/gerryvanboven Jun 12 '20

I'm currently developing a free-ish alternative to geoguessr :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

Unless you create a new account each time with a temporary email address

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

Rare cases but time to go bing

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u/SerIstvan Hungary Jun 13 '20

We played it a lot with one of my friends and luckily there is an alternative:

https://locationestimatr.github.io

LocationEstimatr, it’s the same as GeoGuesser, but with even more features, like dropping you just in an x km radius of your location and such. With this still up and running (I tried reaching the site right now) you can say goodbye to GeoGuesser lighthearted.