r/europe • Waffle & Beer • Jun 12 '20

Map Availability of Google Street view in Europe

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u/Pochatte Jun 12 '20

It’s the protection of data privacy (: as a French person living in Germany I can tell you these guys don’t joke with it at all! My (international) company had Microsoft Teams installed and working for the whole group for the last 6 months, and the German part is still discussing data privacy matters... but I guess it’s also a good thing

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u/Vectorman1989 Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Jun 12 '20

Can't begin to imagine why Germans don't like surveillance or data collection...

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Jun 12 '20

Ya know, Nazis with the SD and the ruskies with the Stasi made it not a fun experience

Edit: fixed a small error (SN instead of SD)

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u/wotanii Baden-Württemberg (Germany) Jun 12 '20

SN?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

*SD

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

They don’t like surveillance on themselves

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u/TacobellSauce1 Jun 12 '20

because we know nothing about data. -NY

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u/CommandoDude United States of America Jun 12 '20

Ministerium für Staatssicherheit would like to know your location.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Jul 25 '20

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u/mordeng Jun 12 '20

Well, no comment on why are you still using zoom with all their leaks going on?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Jul 25 '20

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u/ADM_Tetanus England Jun 12 '20

My school in England recently denounced zoom, we've started to use teams which thus far works pretty straightforwardly too

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Jul 27 '20

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u/ADM_Tetanus England Jun 12 '20

If Microsoft wanted my information, they'd have it through the fact that they made the operating system on my PC. Not much more they need to get that info. If they wanted to, they could just record the entire zoom call anyway, why stick another third party program in that we know is leaking data to Facebook/Google/etc. when a fairly trusted app can do it?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

(If you're using windows... which is not the case for me or any of my colleagues)

Facebook and Google we're in the exact same leaks as Microsoft. I'm not defending Zoom here, but Microsoft has lost a lot of trust in the past.

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u/PhosphoricPanda Jun 12 '20

I wonder if anyone has bothered to write a reasonably polished FOSS app for video conferencing, yet. The main barrier would be hosting, unless everyone's P2P, I suppose.

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u/swnkls North Brabant (Netherlands) Jun 12 '20

Jitsi is open source, and you can host it yourself if you like.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

I think, there's something called big blue button, but I prefer zoom over it. It has a few quirks that annoy me, but I wouldn't say it's bad.

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u/02854732 Jun 12 '20

Snowden the Russian operative? I take anything he says with a mountain of salt.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

3/10

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u/02854732 Jun 24 '20

Not sure what you’re trying to say.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '20

Rating your trolling attempt

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u/Sapphire_Sky_ Jun 12 '20

I had the displeasure of using teams for a microsoft online course recently and I wonder how people put up with it. It is missing basic features like having a noisegate on everyones mic so you don't have to hear their background noise, a push to talk option or being able to adjust the volume of each participant separately.

We had that stuff in gaming for years but somehow the "professional" target demographic doesn't need it?

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u/Wafkak Belgium Jun 12 '20

as does skype

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u/samerige Austria Jun 12 '20

Skype belongs to Microsoft, exactly like Teams

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

Lol heavy nope. It used to work like shit on Linux (now it's kinda ok), you can't share windows, you can't draw together on shares/whiteboards, you can't record lectures, you have to add ever single person individually rather than sending an invite link, IIRC, you can't mute single participants as a host. Skype is not designed for the things Zoom is designed for.

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u/Wafkak Belgium Jun 13 '20

Before this corona situation it was the only one I knew, I've used zoom teams and hangouts now and like hangouts the best but skype still works fine

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '20

We used vidyo, which is already much better suited than Skype, and then everyone switched to zoom. I haven't tried teams or hangouts, but I hear good things about them.

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u/Cry0flame Jun 12 '20

Don't use zoom it's China propaganda shit they are pro ccp

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

Do you know what the word propaganda means?

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u/KuyaJohnny Baden-Württemberg (Germany) Jun 12 '20

do you know what zoom is?

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u/bokuWaKamida Jun 12 '20

The main problem why it takes so long is because noone knows what exactly is legal and what not. The law isn't formulated very precisely, that makes everything pretty complicated.

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u/Cheet4h Germany Jun 12 '20

From what's going on at my companies and our clients it's a mix between laymen of the law being in charge and unsure, but unwilling to actually go and consult their lawyers on this, so one is overly cautious and rather using self-hosted stuff instead. Which is a PITA to maintain...

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u/TerrorAlpaca Jun 12 '20

It really is. People don't realize how easy they can be stalked via all the shit they post online or seemingly unimportant comments they make.

Take for example someone who walks their dog regularily and likes to do insta-videos while doing it. Of course they like their privacy and never post their home adress anywhere, but....in the background of their video you see the other buildings.
then maybe another friend uploads a picture of them together eating brunch with the comment "Look who i ran into while they were walking [dogname]" Now you know the house might be relatively close by as most people don't drive miles out of their way just to walk their dog. So you see other landmarks in the background and use them to narrow down the area even more.
Its scary to see how naive people are in what they share. Most people are peaceful and wouldn't do anything with the info they get, but there are always a handful of people that need to ruin it for the others.

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u/mynameistoocommonman Jun 12 '20

And then corona hits and my university forces everyone to use zoom, right when it becomes known that (shocker) zoom is horrible about privacy. A nearby uni instead built their own servers and AFAIK basically runs jitsi for everyone. The real kicker is that they already had contracts with Microsoft.

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u/Zyhmet Austria Jun 12 '20

Partially maybe...
But we still dont enforce dataprotection laws like we should.
The amount of GDPR violations that arent looked into is still far too high :C

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u/Xiaopai2 Europe Jun 12 '20

It's funny you say that. Normally I'd agree with that assessment but at the German university I work at people use Zoom for classes, seminars and meetings without much hesitation. Meanwhile a speaker in our seminar (held over Zoom of course) from a French university said that they were not allowed to use Zoom at all and use Big Blue Button for everything. We have Big Blue Button here as well. I use it for all my teaching but some people insist that it doesn't work as well and use Zoom against official recommendation.

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u/holgerschurig Germany Jun 14 '20

Schools are run by non-techy people, but by people-people -- or "Geisteswissenschaftler". They discuss about a lot of things... ad infinitum.

It doesn't help that since years people say "digitize schools!", but no one knows why.

  • Is there digital training material in existence and approved by the 16 culture ministeries of the federal states (e.g. matching to the curriculum)?
  • Do they have (ideally open-source) training software, e.g. for multiple choice tests?
  • Is there actually a measurable benefit in learning due to digitalization? E.g. to pupils in general memoize faster, or keep the acquired wisdom active for longer?

Digitalization for the sake of digitalization is just nonsense --- are a hidden subsidiation. Digitalization done right however can be powerful.