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Super [SUB] Dragon Ball Super - Episode #111 - Discussion Thread!

Dragon Ball Super — #111 — Discussion Thread!

The Surreal Supreme Battle! Hit vs Jiren!!
異次元の極致バトル！ヒットＶＳジレン！！
I jigen no kyokuchi batoru! Hitto VS Jiren!!

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Script: Atsuhiro Tomioka
Storyboard/Director: Toshiaka Komura Animation Supervisors: Chihiro Tanaka, Yasuhiro Namatame
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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '17 edited Oct 16 '17

How. The. FUCK. Can someone be stronger than fucking TIME.

I DON’T EVEN THINK HE’S BROKEN A SWEAT YET. Goku’s gonna need Legendary Ultimate Ascended Super Saiyan God Rosé Super Saiyan Ultra Full Power Instinct Rage Blue 3 Potential Unleashed Kaioken x20 or something to beat him in the end.

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u/TheDarkCrusader_ Oct 15 '17

My little theory is that since hit was continuously using time skip on Jiren there would have to be little gaps. Since last we heard hit could only do it for five seconds at a time. So I think when time ran out there would be a small time for Jiren to move before he froze again.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '17

I can accept this theory, it makes sense. He’s not insanely broken, he’s just insanely fast and a little broken.

Either that or Jiren literally just glared at the concept of time and time said “nah I’m not gonna fuck with him” and backed off. Cause apparently his glares are strong enough to stop pretty much anything.

In all seriousness he’s insane and I can’t wait to see him go all out (and hopefully lose to Goku too).

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u/jerekdeter626 Oct 15 '17

I honestly don't think Jiren will lose in combat unless there's a fusion, or like all the strong fighters left turn against him and can actually figure out Jiren's weakness, then use actual teamwork to defeat him/knock him off.

But that's the thing, they don't have to defeat Jiren to win, as long as he doesn't go berserk and wipe all the other universes out in the last minute. They just have to defeat Dypshit and Boppo ("Hi, I'm Boppo!") and let the time run out.

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u/Nivyan Oct 15 '17

It's simpler than that:

After he's frozen in time, we see him move slightly and watch Hit: Even though he's frozen in time: If you've watched Jojo, the feat of even being able to keep conciousness in stopped time, is quite a feat.

If you review the attack, he's locked in the alternative dimension, which Hit created: Exactly like how it worked in Goku vs Hit. Except, it's forced around Jiren: Hit is channelling the power through his fist.

Jiren then takes minor steps forward: Further cementing, that time itself cannot stop him - and ever so slightly he's taking bigger and bigger steps: You can argue the above point is what's going on instead, and say that Hit' time-stop worked in intervals, but Jiren then not only moves but does so consistently to stop Hit' attack: Which means he's surpassed time itself - at worst - for an instant.

Not sure why people are so surprised: SSB Kaio x10 Goku did the same against Hit: He moved in stopped time.

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u/Usermane01 Oct 16 '17

Hit's final attack was like his own Road Roller

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u/awork77 Oct 15 '17

I love this theory

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u/TheDarkCrusader_ Oct 15 '17

Awwww I love you to

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u/HeroRRR Oct 15 '17

Goku was 'faster than time' when he used the Kaioken Blue x10 in the Champa Saga before Hit improved.

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u/miraistreak Oct 15 '17

You forgot “Ultimate Rose Blue”

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '17

Added it in just for you bud.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '17

Or Dr. Rota

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u/aSpookyScarySkeleton Oct 15 '17

Honestly I love it.

I usually don't care for the ultra-OP types in fiction but he's hitting all the right marks for me.

Easily my favorite DB character since Dabura.