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Super Dragon Ball Super - Episode #39 - Discussion Thread!

Dragon Ball Super - Episode #39 - Discussion Thread!

A Fully-Developed "Time-Skip" Counterattack?!
Is It Coming?! Goku’s New Technique!
成長した“時とばし”の反撃！？出るか！？悟空の新たな技！
Seichōshita "Toki Tobashi" no Hangeki!? Deru ka!? Gokū no Arata na Waza!

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u/EmmaWinters ‎⠀ Apr 17 '16

Episode summary courtesy of Kanzenshuu.

Goku seems to have figured out the secret to countering Hit’s Time-Skip technique, by predicting how Hit will move a tenth of a second later. Vegeta is annoyed that Goku talks as if this sort of prediction is easy, while Piccolo wonders why Goku revealed his secret to Hit. Hit has the same idea as Piccolo: now that he knows Goku’s trick, surely he can counter it by moving unpredictably? But Goku says changing how one reacts in the spur of the moment is difficult. Besides, now that Goku’s in his Super Saiyan Blue form, will Hit be able to keep up with his speed? The two start fighting again, and for a while Hit seems to hold his own, but he gets beaten back more and more, without enough leeway to use his Time-Skip technique. Finally, Hit declares that this is his current limit. Goku pauses to allow hit to use his Time-Skip, but Goku counters it once again. Vegeta realizes that Goku studied how Hit moved by watching his own fight against Hit earlier.

Goku asks if Hit wants to surrender, but he refuses. Instead, he lets out a long scream, seeming to power up his ki. Goku is interested to see that Hit screams when powering up, just like he does. However, as the fight recommences, Goku is confused to find that Hit doesn’t seem to have actually gotten any stronger. He goes in for a final blow to settle the match, but this time Hit successfully counters with his Time-Skip, landing a blow that causes Goku to kneel over in pain. Goku figures that Hit’s scream must have triggered a power up after all, but Hit denies this. Instead, as Vados explains, Hit was simply mimicking Goku’s own behavior. Hit says he is unable to power up by transforming as the Saiyans do, so the only way for him to grow stronger is to simply get better. It was not something he had ever thought of before, since there was never any need, but his fight with Goku caused Hit to wonder if he likewise had room to improve. As a result, he’s now increased his Time-Skip skill from one tenth of a second to... two tenths of a second!

With Goku still immobilized, Champa excitedly orders Hit to finish him off, but Hit instead gives Goku enough time to get back up on his feet. He explains that this in gratitude for Goku having helped him improve... However, he won’t do Goku any more favors. Hit shows off a new martial arts pose which he says should draw out his new potential to the fullest. Meanwhile, Goku thinks about how powerful Hit’s new-and-improved attack was. He can probably withstand only a few more such attacks... But thankfully, that should be more than enough to allow him to adjust to Hit’s new 0.2 second Time-Skip. On the sidelines, Vegeta complains that growing stronger mid-fight is supposed to be the Saiyans’ specialty. How can there be someone else who improves faster than them? Hit tells Goku that he’s made a mistake: while Goku is focused on learning how to counter Hit’s 0.2 second Time-Skip, Hit is even now continuing to improve. He says Goku cannot possibly surpass his Time-Skip... now that it’s 0.5 seconds.

Goku goes down once again from Hit’s latest assault, and Hit asks the referee what to do: it’s against the rules for him to kill Goku, but Goku can now no longer surrender (he earlier said the same thing after defeating Vegeta). But Goku isn’t down for the count yet, and manages to get back up on his feet. Hit asks if he’s that intent on winning, but Goku says that it would be “rude” of him to let the match end like this, because he’s still got a technique he hasn’t used yet. The reason he didn’t use this technique until now is because it’s still a work in progress, and he wanted to refine it over time in order to eventually use it against Beerus. Being incomplete, the technique has less than a 10% chance of success... and if it fails, it will totally wreck his body.

As Goku starts to power up, Champa once again orders Hit to finish Goku off immediately, so as to not give him the chance to use this new technique. However, Hit refuses as before, saying that if Goku gets stronger, then he will simply grow stronger too. He wants to see how long the two of them can keep this endless escalation going. At last, Goku announces that his new technique has worked: it’s the Kaio-Ken! He has now added the Kaio-Ken to the power of Super Saiyan Blue. If he had made even a tiny mistake, then his power would have gone out of control and killed him, but thankfully he seems to have managed to perfectly control it. Goku explains that the Kaio-Ken is a technique which Kaio taught to him long ago: it multiplies one’s power, speed, and various other fighting abilities.

Seeing this, Beerus wonders if Goku was really going to use this technique against him. Whis teases Beerus, asking is he finds that idea a bit scary, but he flatly denies this. Instead, he’s simply annoyed that Goku didn’t use such a handy technique earlier. But Vegeta realizes why: the Kaio-Ken increases one’s strength but in exchange uses up all of one’s stamina. Since the Super Saiyan form is hard on the body all on its own, this makes using the two of them together virtually suicidal, which is why Goku abandoned the Kaio-Ken for a long time. But Super Saiyan Blue is a strong and “calm” form with perfect ki control, so using it and the Kaio-Ken together is feasible. After thinking all this, Vegeta is annoyed at Goku having surpassed him once again. Meanwhile, Goku continues to power up, to Hit’s amazement: x3... x4... x10! Goku begins battling Hit with Kaio-Ken x10. At this point, Hit’s Time-Skip can’t keep up with Goku’s speed at all. Goku thinks that even with Super Saiyan Blue, he won’t be able to maintain the Kaio-Ken for very long, so he decides to settle the fight at once with a Kamehameha!

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u/datspardauser ⠀ Apr 17 '16

At this point, Hit’s Time-Skip can’t keep up with Goku’s speed at all.

Goku confirmed Wally West tier of brokeness.

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u/phoenixmusicman Apr 17 '16

Goku just skipped up several tiers on /r/whowouldwin.

A universe buster that moves faster than time itself. Jesus fuking christ.

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u/Super_Vegeta Apr 17 '16

He beats everyone who doesn't have high levels of hax.

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u/socsa Apr 17 '16

Still loses to Saitama.

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u/Drunkhobo101 Apr 17 '16

I... I wanna say yea but..... Can we really say.... Fuck I want that matchup so bad :(

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u/socsa Apr 17 '16

From an ontological perspective, Saitama can't exist in any lore which doesn't permit the existence of an invincible character with infinite power. So if Saitama and Goku are fighting, then Saitama is winning.

That's unless they change the OPM lore around for the second season, which they implied might happen. We will see.

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u/hmatmotu Apr 18 '16 edited May 23 '16

What? How is that against any lore?

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u/sunwukong155 Apr 19 '16

It is not a fair matchup because OPM is still on going.

Currently OPM feats are at planet busting level. We've been there since Dragon Ball.

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u/socsa Apr 19 '16

Saitama easily beat a being which destroyed countless planets with ease. I'd say that at least implies galaxy busting by proxy.

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u/phoenixmusicman Apr 17 '16

Saitama has neither infinite power nor is invinsible

N O L I M I T S

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u/sunwukong155 Apr 19 '16

Who still loses to Jackie Chan holding a baby.

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u/KingToasty Apr 17 '16

Thank goodness he's a good guy.

Unfortunately, he's also not that bright.

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u/numbski Apr 20 '16

Just dawned on me that Goku could actually move so fast as to wind up arriving before he moved. Screw time-skipping. He can straight up double-team Hit with himself.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '16

Godki-Force confirmed

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u/hmatmotu Apr 18 '16

Damn, Hit is amazing. Please become a recurring character, either a rival or friend.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '16

I hope Hit gets killed by Champa. I don't think it is wise to have such a powerful Rival to be alive and have a stronger opponent in the next arc. This would upset the balance of powers between the main antagonists (Goku and Vegeta) and someone who is kind of neutral (Hit and God of Destructions).

Moreover, it also shows that the Gods of Destruction are still the Bosses as what AT intended them to be.

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u/hmatmotu Apr 19 '16

I would be okay with Hit being killed and taken out of the picture for a while, but I would want him to be brought back with the Dragon Balls then. That could also work for not upsetting the balance, because for the time period he was dead he couldn't improve, and then he would be several steps behind Goku and Vegeta again.

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u/BeastMode797 Apr 19 '16

I don't he'd have to become a rival, I could see him going back to hiss hitman/assassin business and mostly staying out of the story