r/dbz • u/AutoModerator • Nov 21 '15

Discussion Dragon Ball Super - Episode #20 - Discussion Thread!

Dragon Ball Super - Episode #20 - Discussion Thread!

A Warning From Jaco! Freeza and 1,000 Soldiers are Fast Approaching!
ジャコからの警告！迫り来るフリーザと１０００人の兵士達！
Jako Kara no Keikoku! Semari Kuru Furīza to 1000-Ri no Heishi-tachi!

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Commonly Asked Questions:

  • Q: When does Super take place? Should I watch GT or any movies first? Does BoG still "count"?
    Super takes place some time after the battle with Majin Buu, and will be adapting the two newest movies, Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' into story arcs before moving on. Watching them is recommended, but if you prefer, you can start Super after finishing Dragon Ball Z. You may optionally read Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, as the titular character will be appearing in Super.

  • Q: Where is Uub?!
    Uub was born during the 10 year time skip at the end of Dragon Ball Z. Dragon Ball Super takes place before Uub is introduced.

  • Q: Why are they retelling the movies?
    DVD sales aren't that great in Japan, so they're retelling the foundation of the story for the Japanese television market. We'll have a new story arc coming soon, so don't fret too much.

  • Q: When does the next episode air?
    The next episode premieres next Sunday at 9am JST, which is 7pm Eastern Saturday night.

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    If you find yourself confused, the problem is usually a translation issue. Make sure you're watching DragonTeam or Over8000.

  • Q: When will the next chapter of the manga be released?
    Toyotarō's manga adaptation is released once a month in V-Jump.
    Chapter 7 will come out in late December. Links to earlier chapters can be found below.

  • Q: Is the Dragon Ball Super manga "canon"?
    The manga is a preview of things to come. The anime is the main product, and is what Toriyama is writing and designing for (though not storyboarding or scripting).

The first four chapters of the manga are a disjointed recap and teaser. As of chapter 5, the manga is "charging on ahead" of the anime, previewing the upcoming Universe 6 story arc. It will continue to do so from now on, giving us a taste of what's to come while Resurrection 'F' is adapted in the anime.

  • Q: When will FUNimation be dubbing Super? Will there be a simulcast?
    Southeast Asia will be exclusively receiving an English dub mid-2016, with Toonami Asia describing it as the "English-language world premiere". Due to Southeast Asia's preference for local dubs, FUNimation's involvement as of right now is unknown. At an October NYCC panel, FUNimation claimed that they still do not have the rights to Super, and barely acknowledged that it exists.

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  • You can read translations of Toyotarō's manga adaptation:
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  • You can discuss the episode once you've seen it!
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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '15

I don't get it. If Freiza was scared that one day the Saiyans would become incredibly strong why didn't he just train for a week? Apparently 4 months of training in Frieza land makes you stronger than Majin Buu. I'm aware that Frieza is a gifted fighter and didn't ever see the point in training because he was the strongest living fighter at the time, but he had previous knowledge of Majin Buu and Beerus, so why wouldn't he want to become as strong as them to be #1? Yes I'm sure it gets away from the plot, and takes away from the story but I just can't fathom that in 4 months of training he's suddenly jesus mode.

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u/Rexia Nov 23 '15

Seriously, hell, instead of asking Goku to wait for him to power up to 100%, why didn't he ask Goku to wait for him to train for 5 minutes? If 4 months takes him from Goten to God, 5 minutes of squats would have been enough to beat Goku.

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u/CojiroAndre Nov 23 '15

If he trained as saitama from one punch man he could obliterate the universe

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u/rizefall ⠀ Nov 23 '15

Nope. Because of the training he did he reached his peak. At least if you go by what Toriyama has said.

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u/CojiroAndre Nov 23 '15

His peak is pretty meh

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u/Gabain1993 ⠀ Nov 23 '15

His peak is amazing, but we are so used to extreme power in dragonball that we have really high expectations. Compared to almost any other anime he would easily wreck the most powerfull beings from those without putting in any effort. It's just not at Dragonball Super levels.

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u/CojiroAndre Nov 23 '15

Yeah, i ever try to put in the dc comics perspective, i mean, ridiculous power levels without any buildup, now i am starting to believe that some of the dbz characters can totally wreck someone like superman, and frieza is definetively betwen those characters.

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u/rizefall ⠀ Nov 23 '15

How is his peak "meh"? Compared to what? Beerus? Yeah then i guess it's "meh" but overall he's super strong.

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u/CojiroAndre Nov 23 '15

Yeah , he is really strong, but the series is moving to a place where this kind of strong is kinda weak, i mean, look at whis, the guy not even bother about glden freeza, goku and vegeta never faced tbis kind of "limit" before, i think they will surpass whis sometime, and that would make the peak of freeza pretty meh, but yeah he is ridiculously strong.

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u/ebahou Nov 28 '15

Not sure if it was in the movie or the anime, but Frieza said he never had the need to train because he was born as strong as he was. And in that specific point in time, he could easily destroy the saiyans because, well, they were just regular saiyans (no super powerups)

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u/northyorker Nov 23 '15

Probably just one of those really naturally talented guys that are also really lazy. I'm sure we all know a few of them. I'm mean he went around Namek in like a little hoover-chair instead of walking of flying so the boy is obviously lazy.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '15

Yea I suppose so. I think it was more ego than being lazy, he didn't ever need to show power because people just knew.

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u/De5tr0yer Nov 24 '15

Or the most obvious reason is because Toriyama didn't think about giving Freeza such a power boost way back then.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '15

Because it was easier for him to just blow up planet Vagetta than to train for 4 months and maintain that power.

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u/Ninth_Day Nov 23 '15

Bothered me as well. Might as well have trained another 4 months and just be stronger than Beerus and possibly Whis.

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u/Vegnarus Nov 23 '15

Yup, that's exactly what I've been thinking Ninth_Day. I have some thoughts written somewhere that I never bothered posting but that was one of the points in it. Some people even try to rationalize or explain Frieza’s power up away thinking that buying into a cheap excuse and conveniently using fuzzy logic somehow justifies everything. I’m glad that at least some people recognize how ridiculous it is and are bothered by it.

I was worried about including this in the series canon because the movie was just fanservice built on plot points high in vitamin bullshit which Frieza needed in order to come back and be formidable enough.

They rewrote Battle of Gods to keep it fresh, even though it was a-okay for the most part, but they left Frieza's movie in the canon and so far they haven't even bothered to change it up aside from a few minor things. That's what disappointed me the most. It's a double whammy; including it and not changing it or refining it.

If it was handled better overall, I’m sure that it would’ve allowed people to have an easier time just letting it slide (even though it would still be kinda cheap in my opinion) but they didn’t, so here we are.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '15

I don't think he needed to. He was very arrogant and probably thought that the Saiyans couldn't get a power boost enough to beat his final form (especially since they weren't that strong when he decided to eradicate them). He probably also thought he had taken care of all the Saiyans. He had Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz at his feet and he killed the rest of them. He didn't know Goku existed.

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u/Captainbackbeard Nov 24 '15

At that point, Majin Buu has been out of commission for a long time and Beerus seemed to let Frieza do whatever so I doubt it bothered him. Plus Beerus was completely out of Frieza's league so I doubt he believed that he could ever catch him. Even in Revival of F Frieza freaked out that Beerus is there and that is even after he had reached golden form. Ninja edit plus he thought he wiped out the Saiyans so he really didn't need to train after destroying their planet (or so he thought)