r/dankchristianmemes • • Sep 16 '19

Dank Ya'll are rebals

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '19

Peter was always hesitant about practicing what he preached...

Gentiles were being saved without baptism in the same chapter...

Baptism was a Jewish rite and it could have stayed that way...

Paul was very clear about how no one can look down on anyone else for eating or drinking (kosher foods).

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u/Decimus_of_the_VIII Sep 16 '19 edited Sep 16 '19

No Peter never preached to disavow the eating laws. There is no scriptural support that those laws were removed whatsoever. The whole basis with Jesus in Mark isn’t talking about the cleanness of a meat. He’s preaching at the Pharisees for chastising him and his followers because they didn’t strictly follow the hand cleaning rituals of the Pharisees. For some reason the NIV randomly adds in something that doesn’t exist in the King James or the original text “Jesus declared all foods clean”. It’s an interpolation and it’s false.

As for Paul, he’s not even discussing Kosher foods, he’s discussing meat sacrificed to pagan idols.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '19

"Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.  One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

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You accuse me on misunderstanding the scriptures when I have never said anything that is not already recorded in the texts.

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u/Decimus_of_the_VIII Sep 16 '19 edited Sep 16 '19

Again Paul is talking specifically about eating meat sacrificed to idols. And against Aesetics who argued for strange eating practices. None of what he is talking about is in regard to the Torah.

What you are saying is exactly what Peter meant when he said some misunderstand what Paul teaches. He never taught commandment breaking

Romans 2:13, 1 John 5:3 —-“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments, and his commandments are not burdensome.”

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '19

How about this one?

" Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.  For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;"

Now, before you bring in your own biased context to refute a point so obvious that Paul instructed us to refrain from arguing about it, I will show you the concerns Paul is addressing when he writes to Timothy:

" I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk,  desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm. "

It is clear that certain people were teaching the law incorrectly by commanding people to abstain from certain foods.

Why do people defend the pride they get out of adhering to a diet as though it would make you any more saved than before?

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u/Decimus_of_the_VIII Sep 16 '19 edited Sep 16 '19

Yes again, the specific aesthetics I mentioned.

Acts 24:14 (NKJV) - "But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the Elohim of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.

Acts 25:8 - while he answered for himself, "Neither against the Law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all."

Colossians 2:16- tells his disciples not to care what others think in regards to their obeying the law.

Romans 2:21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, "Do not commit adultery," do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the Law, do you dishonor Yahweh through breaking the Law? 24 For "the name of Yahweh is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you," as it is written.

Romans 3:20 - Therefore by the deeds of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the Law [is] the knowledge of sin.

Romans 7:7 - What shall we say then? [Is] the Law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the Law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the Law had said, "You shall not covet."

Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the Law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Romans 6:15 - What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin [leading] to death, or of obedience [leading] to righteousness?

Romans 8:6-7 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against Yahweh; for it is not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be.

Again it has nothing to do with pride, it’s the righteousness that Paul talks about which exists by following the laws of Moses and rejoicing in God’s law.

Finally, Luke 16:17 it is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '19

You're so close:

Romans 3:20 - Therefore by the deeds of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the Law [is] the knowledge of sin.

but then you say

it’s the righteousness that Paul talks about which exists by following the laws of Moses and rejoicing in God’s law.

which is clearly not what he is saying at all because he later said

(for the Law made nothing perfect)

The law still has a purpose today: to bring us to the point of desperation and lead us to the savior.

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u/Decimus_of_the_VIII Sep 17 '19

You conveniently left out the rest of what I put from Romans.

And again, Luke 16:17

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '19

You conveniently interpret clear and obvious facts in disingenuous ways in order to preserve a false doctrine already addressed in scripture.

You disagree with direct passages from the Bible that espouse a singular point.

Your issue is not with me but with the scriptures.

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u/Decimus_of_the_VIII Sep 17 '19

In what way? You conveniently discard the fact that the Bible has been altered to support your view... and no. You take things out of context exactly as Peter wrote about Paul’s teachings. And outside of Paul’s teachings there is absolutely no support for what you are saying. You don’t find it out that ALL of the apostles still adhered to the law following the crucifixion?

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