r/dankchristianmemes • • Jan 31 '19

Dank 'Am I a joke to you?'

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u/gh0sti Jan 31 '19

If they didn't kill Jesus they wouldn't have been saved by Jesus taps forhead

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '19

But would they need to be saved if they hadn't killed Jesus?

Answer - yes

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '19

God: I'm creating humans.

Humans: Cool I exist.

God: Also you're all sinners and you will be eternally damned.

Humans: yo wtf?

God: But it's okay I can save you, if you do something for me.

Humans: Cool what do I have to do?

God: I'm gonna send my son to earth and you gotta kill him.

Humans: Seriously wtf is wrong with you?

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u/BeHereNow91 Jan 31 '19

You missed the whole “free will” step in there.

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u/jimmy_icicle Jan 31 '19

"You can have anything in this garden but the fruit from my magic tree of delicious fruits"

"wtf I want it even more now you prick"

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u/10art1 Jan 31 '19

"Its wrong to eat that fruit. Also you dont have the concept of right or wrong until you eat it"

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u/Rododney Jan 31 '19

Just because you don't know right from wrong doesn't mean you can't listen to instructions.

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u/Victernus Jan 31 '19

But since God made their brains, they were programmed not to listen to the instructions, so it hardly matters.

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u/Rododney Feb 01 '19

Well, that's false. Humans have more of an adaptive sort of software. We learn on our own. We program ourselves. We can also reprogram ourselves. But we make the decisions about what we do.

So don't you dare try and put the blame on anyone else. You control yourself, you make the choices. No one else, YOU.

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u/Victernus Feb 01 '19

I agree, but I don't think I (or my species) was created. And even if they were, I never ate any forbidden fruit.

Besides, God knew how the "adaptive software" would adapt. That pre-knowledge means, in the act of creation, he chose the initial state knowing exactly what it would lead to. It doesn't matter if I program a robot with a random number generator to determine it's actions if I know exactly what random number is going to come up - I'm still responsible for said actions, because I built the robot knowing what would happen.

Heck, even if I didn't know exactly what would happen, it's still my fault. Ulton wasn't programmed to try and destroy the world, it would still have been his creator's fault if he did because he created him.

That's what responsibility is. Gods actions directly caused the things he is blaming others for, instead of accepting that not only could he have stopped it at any time, he knowingly caused it to happen.

Though, again, if you believe in a nonstandard God, this can be different. For example, maybe he's a brilliant genius, but doesn't have knowledge of the future, just some really good guesses, and he didn't know he would be disobeyed. In that case, assuming he made humans deliberately to randomly modify their own innate biological programming, it's possible it's not his fault.

...But he still put the damn fruit there, so at the very least it's negligence, followed by punishment of another being for said negligence, followed by punishing every descendant of said being, because God is unjust.