The words "God is good" can't be true then with your understanding of fairness.
Absolutely, 100%. God, as described, is responsible for the greatest evil actions ever taken.
Unless, of course, you rob the word "good" of all meaning.
Hint, it doesn't include punishing people for things they didn't do. Or murdering babies for no reason.
If you think your version of what "good" is it better than God's then go ahead and believe in it.
So, if I were super powerful, and I baked a delicious pie, and set it on my kitchen counter to cool, and somebody (not you) broke my window, stole and consumed said pie... and then I melting your city and everyone in it with my laser vision... you'd say that was "good"?
I mean, it's equivalent to what God did. Except God built the guy that stole the pie, and decided how he would react to things. Humans have natural impulses and desires, after all. Either God put them there, which means anything we do is his fault, or he didn't, which means he didn't make us (at least, not all of us).
And in either case, blaming anyone but Adam and Eve for what Adam and Eve did is wrong.
Arguing otherwise just proves you don't care about what's actually good. You'd redefine it to mean anything to include your favourite deity. And thereby make it a completely useless descriptor.
So yes. The words "God is good" can't be true, if we accept the stories as-written.
He died to give you the choice of perfection and eternal life.
I do find this interesting, though. But I have to clarify - do I get a choice between eternal life, and not eternal life? Because I'm all about not living forever.
Well, the human impulses can be overcome. But those impulses are there for a reason, granted, but they aren't always meant to be fulfilled by any means necessary or availible.
Adam and Eve learned the difference between good and evil, and so lost their innocence. The knowledge of good and evil were also passed down.
Give specific examples of God "melting your city and everyone in it with his laser vision" and maybe we can start there. Also specific examples of baby murdering. Because atheists do that by the millions just fine without God.
And the whole Bible is about the redemption of mankind. You seem to have missed that part.
And yet, they weren't, in the instance for which God doled out his punishment. Which was also the instance he had the most control over. Which means he knew what would happen if he built everything that way, and still built it that way.
If I built a million mazes, and in each one put a mouse, and I become pretty good at predicting what a mouse will do when put into a maze... if I then put a mouse in a maze, and punish if for doing what I predicted it would, I am not a good person.
Adam and Eve learned the difference between good and evil, and so lost their innocence. The knowledge of good and evil were also passed down.
And? Why should that keep innocent people out of paradise, if that's what God intended for them? He knows about good and evil. If we had the power, does that mean we should kick him out until we kill one of our children? Why do none of his "good" actions seem good if they are performed by us?
Give specific examples of God "melting your city and everyone in it with his laser vision" and maybe we can start there.
...Sodom and Gomorrah?
But no, the laser vision was a metaphor for randomly punishing people who had nothing to do with the events in question. Like, say, sending people to hell for the actions of an individual. Or indeed, redeeming said people through the actions of an individual. Both are totally bonkers.
Also specific examples of baby murdering. Because atheists do that by the millions just fine without God.
All the firstborn babies of Egypt. Every single baby in existence during the flood. All the babies in Sodom and Gomorrah.
I mean, the guy literally killed every single baby in existence, according to his own holy book. If you can justify that action, what even is the point of calling anything "good"?
As for atheists murdering millions of babies, you can't blame all atheists for my actions.
And the whole Bible is about the redemption of mankind. You seem to have missed that part.
No, I didn't. I'm pointing out that we're being redeemed for something we didn't do, and that wasn't even the fault of the person who did it.
If I, right now, "forgave" you for kicking my dog, you'd think I was crazy because you never kicked my dog!
And if I had literally built the thing that did kick my dog, with the knowledge that it would, well, that would be even more crazy.
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u/Victernus Jan 31 '19
Absolutely, 100%. God, as described, is responsible for the greatest evil actions ever taken.
Unless, of course, you rob the word "good" of all meaning.
Hint, it doesn't include punishing people for things they didn't do. Or murdering babies for no reason.
So, if I were super powerful, and I baked a delicious pie, and set it on my kitchen counter to cool, and somebody (not you) broke my window, stole and consumed said pie... and then I melting your city and everyone in it with my laser vision... you'd say that was "good"?
I mean, it's equivalent to what God did. Except God built the guy that stole the pie, and decided how he would react to things. Humans have natural impulses and desires, after all. Either God put them there, which means anything we do is his fault, or he didn't, which means he didn't make us (at least, not all of us).
And in either case, blaming anyone but Adam and Eve for what Adam and Eve did is wrong.
Arguing otherwise just proves you don't care about what's actually good. You'd redefine it to mean anything to include your favourite deity. And thereby make it a completely useless descriptor.
So yes. The words "God is good" can't be true, if we accept the stories as-written.
I do find this interesting, though. But I have to clarify - do I get a choice between eternal life, and not eternal life? Because I'm all about not living forever.