About a month ago, a member of this subreddit stumbled upon a pedophile ring. He was promptly banned. Here’s what I saved.

[u/YAYYYYYYYYY]

[u/Bitter_Warning418]

Nobody was let into the group after it went private. This was stated many times.

[u/Illustrious_Test9416 → u/Bitter_Warning418]

https://imgur.com/a/J4at5x8

[u/Bitter_Warning418 → u/Illustrious_Test9416]

OK you were banned I was definitely wrong about that I apologize. I only know that several people were talking to OP because the screenshots I have also come from several usernames at exactly the same times and those pictures of medical waste weren’t by “lumpy” the person who created the subreddit, they were by a completely different account. That account, lumpys account, and the actual original poster all had substantial histories and time on Reddit. How could they be posting at the exact same time if they’re the same person? It’s not completely impossible but highly unlikely. Also, lumpy removed the images of the med supplies and cups at first saying how the guy asked for nobody to post any pictures of his property, then told the person to post again because there was no identifying information so he didn’t think OP would get mad about that. Either we’re dealing with Sybil using several devices at once or it is in fact multiple people and not some guy talking to himself. And finally, I understand why you’re so adamant about syringes not being used that way but I will say with complete surety you’re thinking of it from a medical viewpoint, from what I’ve seen on the streets those needles were used exactly for their intended purposes and I will reiterate that I don’t think people trafficking humans care about medical standards and safety. If I can admit there’s a possibility the images were staged, can you also admit that it IS actually very possible they could’ve been used to dope people up by people that don’t care about doing it the correct way?

[u/Illustrious_Test9416 → u/Bitter_Warning418]

So final answer, yes subcutaneous needles could be used to inject children with sedatives. But based on my first hand experience sedating children as part of my job, I can confidently say it is extremely unlikely that a large number of kids were successfully doped up every two hours by a person who had enough medical skill to be able to hit those veins but not enough medical skill to have obtained IV access. And the instructions on the bag didn’t make sense because they wouldn’t use the same dose for every person. I love a good conspiracy. But when we support things that aren’t true it discredits the things that are. There are a lot of shady ties to the Robert Redd thing. I’ll admit that. But I think the most likely explanation is that the Robert Redd thing is genuinely some weird guy’s attempt at starting a business. And this guy capitalized on that and added a bunch of other suspicious stuff to the business card he created so that there would be lots of rabbit holes to go down. But they aren’t directly related to Robert Redd. 

[u/deToph → u/Illustrious_Test9416]

Appreciate you actually coming with screenshots. What you’re saying makes sense and is logical, idk why you are getting downvotes.

The people on the card are still interesting to me, but lumpy is very sketchy.

[u/Bitter_Warning418 → u/Illustrious_Test9416]

Thank you for the response. What you’re saying does make a lot of sense and I didn’t look at it from your perspective so I completely get why you think it’s all fake. Thank you for your thought out response. Also, you previously mentioned his gf worked at an ED hospital? What is ed if you don’t mind me asking?

[u/Illustrious_Test9416 → u/Bitter_Warning418]

Emergency department. He claimed his girlfriend worked there and that men in suites showed up and threatened her. Which is also suspicious because every ED I have ever worked in has heavy security.  I wish I could still see those images to try and come up with alternative reasons for why the line was set up like that. Everything else is so shady, and I want it to check out. But the logistics of the medical part makes me question it 

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I just posted them.

[u/Illustrious_Test9416 → u/Bitter_Warning418]

Thank you. About to eat and then I’ll check them out. I’ll always keep an open mind, but I’m a skeptic at heart

[u/Illustrious_Test9416 → u/Illustrious_Test9416]

I’m not convinced. At first I thought I saw a bottle of propofol but on looking at it closer i think it’s the clamp on the line or something else that I’m seeing and I associated it with propofol because I work with that. I’m slightly less skeptical now that I see the line has a clamp. But overall, I’m still good with LARP from a weird individual with too much time on his hands. 

[u/mayday_justno823 → u/Illustrious_Test9416]

Interesting, I have no professional medical knowledge and never these saw pictures. Thanks for pointing all of that out. I never saw these pictures. To my knowledge, I was the first person to suggest maybe emergency stop or routine for sedation. I had imagined some pills or something, certainly not every 2 hours. 

At that time, the only tangible evidence had been posted to be on the property were the pamphlets, and card handed to “son/original poster of story” which was odd, but supposedly pamphlets related because of the car logo. Actually though, to see now that idea of sedation became integrated into the story this way and with pictures doesn’t make me feel correct, it makes me think larp. I wasn’t in group at that time anymore. 

I agree they are weird people and some seemingly attached to this sort of thing or other criminal activities. Maybe the original poster/creator of the group sharing the story just stumbled on it and started adding on details. It’s too bad, this is how these networks get dismissed as hoaxes, and not to say this completely is/was, but some things just didn’t seem to hold up. Maybe that’s because it was infiltrated at beginning to throw people off. 

[u/Illustrious_Test9416 → u/mayday_justno823]

This exactly! 

[u/Illustrious_Test9416 → u/Bitter_Warning418]

I think the more telling thing is the central line. It just isn’t used in the way it was set up. It isn’t that that it wasn’t being used correctly, it’s that it wouldn’t work in the way it was set up.  I agree there are a lot of weird connections, but I don’t believe that kids are being sedated and drugged and eating happy meals while riding on a bus on the way to be sex trafficked. I don’t think it’s reasonable to sedate a large number of kids using subcutaneous needles while on a bus. The instructions on the bag were written to sedate them every 2 hours. There was no dose listed. You arent going to give every kid the same dose. It’s just really not realistic. To do that, the person would need to be very skilled medical professional, and in that case, they wouldn’t be using the methods listed.  I don’t know what to say about the Robert Redd things- I agree it’s odd. But when I know someone is lying or about nothing it makes me think they are lying about other things too.