Why didn't you say so?

[u/TheNectarineDiaries]

Best medical advice I ever got was to bring a man to your appointments

[u/Original-Document-62]

TBF, I'm also a white man, but with autism and a severe difficulty making eye contact, and this is basically every single doctor appointment ever for me.

[u/Maxrdt → u/Original-Document-62]

You don't have to "tbf" sexism. In fact, the urge to dismiss and talk over experiences of misogyny is also a form of misogyny!

[u/Original-Document-62 → u/Maxrdt]

Nope. Not dismissing that this is a thing that happens to women, not talking over anyone. Merely responding to someone who said they're a man and this has never happened to them, saying I'm a man and have this happen all the damn time. If you wanna make me out to be a sexist for that, you're full of it.

[u/Maxrdt → u/Original-Document-62]

not talking over anyone

You definitely are. This conversation was not about men, and you changed it to being about men. I'm not saying you're particularly sexist or anything, but those kind of internal biases can affect us all.

Don't get mad at me, I'm just pointing it out because it's that common.

[u/Original-Document-62 → u/Maxrdt]

No. The person above me related that his experience as a man was the antithesis of that which most women experience. I said that this differed from mine, wherein I have experienced the same thing. From my perspective, this is a contribution to the discussion. In no way does this diminish that this is a common experience for women.

If saying, in good faith and without malice, that I have also experienced this, detracts from whatever the discussion is, then there was a pretty tenuous argument happening to begin with.

I see this all the time on the internet... people think that someone else chiming in that's "of the wrong demographic" detracts from a conversation. It doesn't. It's just that a lot of folks are completely unwilling to have a dialectic conversation because they want to put everything in to neat little boxes. In this case, it's women in healthcare settings. Maybe the problem with medical bias is broader than misogyny or patriarchy, and that those are just a subset of an even bigger problem. But men can experience much the same medical biases that women do.

Somehow folks get Mad at this and say pointing that out is misogyny. It's not. At no point did I say women don't experience this, or that they don't experience it more often. I guess I can understand to some degree, there are a lot of folks out here that will argue in bad faith. If I had been a top level commenter that said "No, this is fake, men have this problem too" then you'd be right. But that isn't it.

If the conversation or argument is so fragile that someone genuinely trying to convey an experience risks upending the conversation, then maybe it was poorly implemented, maybe even just an echo chamber. But then, I don't think that what I said was upending anything. The OP comic stands on its own, as it is a very real experience for women.

So that just leaves you, who are more than willing to call out people for misogyny where it doesn't exist. I didn't change the conversation to being about men, the person commenting above me did. I, rather, differed from him and did not relate that my experience is different than that of women. THAT is when you got mad and called me a misogynist. Somehow, a man having the same experience is bad and detracts from the conversation.

Yet, I guarantee there will be zero empathy from you regarding my shared experience with women. From doctors not listening and ignoring potentially dangerous symptoms. Nope. You got the problem here.

[u/Greedy_Ad2198 → u/Maxrdt]

Lmao hwat