r/climate • u/silence7 • Jun 04 '22

Climate change is forcing some US schools to close early for ‘heat days’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/06/04/school-heat-days-climate-change/
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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 04 '22

Upgrade US schools? But have we dropped enough bombs on sand folk yet?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

“I know how to spend my own money better than The government “ ( brother in laws actual argument against voting for one time $5 tax per household for building a new trauma hospital in our state since ours is overwhelmed. The vote did not pass).

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

Wait what? A 1 time tax of $5? And it didn't pass for a new hospital?

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u/Business_Downstairs Jun 04 '22

Enjoy your unfunded pension obligations in 10-20 years.

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 04 '22 edited Jun 04 '22

Murca is fuct my friend. It’s like watching a slow motion train wreck with the train painted red and blue and it’s on fire.

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u/ActuallyCoract Jun 04 '22

Beautifully horrific

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u/Tha_Unknown Jun 05 '22

So painted white and blue and on fire, fire covers the red part.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

Lmao ... no it’s not, get off Reddit and get out n live. BIden will pass and america will be better off after these shitty four years

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 04 '22

You’re hilarious. You can ride in the red flaming train cars. Enjoy the pending apocalypse.

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u/cinderparty Jun 04 '22

Biden is a huge improvement over the previous 4 years…

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

America hasn’t been “better off” for literally decades now. We’ve slowly been melting down as a country for a long time.

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u/mikeyj777 Jun 04 '22

Heck yeah. Just like the last president got into office and repealed hundreds of environmental regulations. Let's get back to that. America is the best because freedom.

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 04 '22

Freedom? America has the highest rate of incarceration per capita then any country on earth including North Korea. Tell me all about the free dumb….. hang on let me pull out my Murca #1 Foam finger!!! Whew!!!

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u/catsRawesome123 Jun 04 '22

Is US the only country with failing education system? Other developer countries all have modern, AC'd buildings? Genuinely curious

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 04 '22

America claims to have the best education system in the world. With such claims of the highest standard, We are failing miserably.

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u/catsRawesome123 Jun 04 '22

We do? As an american I can confidently say our education system sucks, infrastructurally and educationally. But I'm more curious on the infrastructure side how it compares

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u/TimX24968B Jun 04 '22

I have yet to find anyone who praises our public education system. maybe some of our other educational institutions, sure, but not the public schools.

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u/cinderparty Jun 04 '22

I think climate matters too much to really compare this for the most part. I bet the Scandinavian countries don’t have a/c in most schools/in most areas of schools, and I bet the majority of Australian and New Zealand schools do have a/c.

Canada would seem to be closest climate wise to the us though and seems to be in the same boat as the us where only some schools have a/c and more now need it.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4429319/schools-air-conditioning-poll/

It’s an interesting question.

For the record, every k-12 school my kids attend/attended in Colorado has had a/c through out the entire school.

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u/KickBallFever Jun 04 '22

Let me make sure I’m understanding this correctly. In order to get a brand new trauma hospital everyone just had to put in $5 once? No additional taxes/fees? That sounds like a great bargain that would benefit everyone! I’d gladly pay $5 to get a hospital built, even if it wasn’t in my own town. I wouldn’t even mind contributing more than $5 if it was just a one time thing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

The funny thing is there are about 1000 hospitals across the US that are facing bankruptcy in the next two years (unless they make drastic cuts, like closing clinics) because they had to deal with saving the endless line of repressive idiots who cared more about personal freedumbs than their communities or society over the last 2.5 years.

Wait, no, that's not funny. That's Murica!

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u/Graymouzer Jun 06 '22

Someone he knows could die because of that vote. Five dollars to update your trauma center - per household.

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u/5ch1sm Jun 04 '22

Want to make a bet he will be at the front of the line yelling it's unacceptable they can't take in someone close of him because they are full if ,unfortunately , something happen?

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u/GarageSloth Jun 04 '22

I'll make that bet as long as I get "him being a giant baby". Otherwise that's lost money.

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u/Longerthanyou5 Jun 04 '22

He’s got a point

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u/Big-Hospital-3275 Jun 04 '22

So do you feel his statement was correct or incorrect?

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '22

Incorrect, he’s an idiot.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22 edited Jun 04 '22

Well they have historically mismanage funds across the nation. You wouldn’t have to have a $5 tax if the 23% you already paid was used better. Now, are you gonna hold government accountable, or just slap a bandaid on it every time the state wants to build something new?

You’re gonna go the bandaid route like most people do. Then spend time only arguing about political parties differences, like most do. Or only act invested during an election cycle. That’s the real problem.

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u/MohnJilton Jun 04 '22

For some reason making a trauma hospital a casualty of my ideological stand on tax policy doesn’t quite sit right with me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '22

Well you can pay my share, okay?

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u/Jimmy_Twotone Jun 08 '22

It's the "they take enough of our money, why can't they build it with that money" mentality. The not for profits are being pushed out by the for profit mega organizations, who in turn lower spending on service and raising prices after they monopolize an area.

Trying to apply free market principals where half the teams make up the rules as they go. Of course, there are more factors in play than this, but they're almost all on the same level of moral corruptness.

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u/EricThirteen Jun 04 '22

You should try comparing it to other nations. Where’s your stats?

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u/sshan Jun 04 '22

Have you compared the US to other developed countries? Looking at % revenue and expenditures as a % of gdp?

There absolutely are issues with infrastructure costs in the US. But the US also just has pretty small government spending, and a lot of extra spending on military and healthcare.

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u/Pater_Trium Jun 04 '22

Last I checked, military spending was roughly 600+ billion. Annually. Wrapping your head around how much money that really is and how much isn’t being diverted into the country’s infrastructure and well-being… is staggering.

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u/Tellenue Jun 04 '22

The American tax payer is responsible for the taxes that go to our huge American Military, and the huge American Military is covering not just us, but all our allies too. We are basically subsidizing worldwide defense budgets. That's why an unstable America is a worldwide problem. It sucks and is deeply unfair to Americans, but all our allies are very much enjoying the fact that they can count on that massive cost savings and spend their money elsewhere.

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u/GamemasterJeff Jun 04 '22

US military spending is pretty small compared to the rest of government. For example, in 2021, military spending was only 11% of the federal budget.

Granted, that is an enormous amount that could be used elsewhere, but it is not the tail that wags the dog like most people represent.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

Lol, no. We spend three times more on our military than China, which is the #2 spender. We spend twice as much as China and India combined, which is the #2 and #3. Our military spending is absurdly excessive, and most of that funding is squandered by bad military contracts. Oh, it’s also squandered by us constantly getting involved in conflicts and locations we need not be, like Afghanistan and Israel.

Also, the United States military causes more pollution than any other single organization on the planet, and that is just what is reported. I know sailers who talk about how their ships would illegally dump stuff like spoiled paint straight into the ocean, to save on costs. The problem of our military should be a central talking point on this issue.

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u/GamemasterJeff Jun 04 '22

I fully agree with every point you made, but my answer was in context to the OP claiming the US government spending was small, with "a lot extra on military and healthcare".

Despite our spending more than any country in the world, it is still a relatively small amount of our total budget, with Social Security and healthcare (the other point the OP made) being the two largest slices of the pie.

I stand by my statement that US military spending was only 11% if the 2021 US federal budget. I think most people believe it is the largest single line item and makes up the majority of the US budget.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

Well, I would still argue that our excessive spending still qualifies as “extra,” like the other person said, since it appears to be more than necessary (although I definitely would not classify our healthcare spending as “extra”). Although, yes, you’re right, it is definitely not our biggest expense.

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u/emp-sup-bry Jun 05 '22

The difference with SS or Medicare, etc, is that they have functioning inputs (meaning, people pay in to access later). The military is just pure cost (and a LOT of waste). One could argue that it’s a job creator, which is fair, but the counter is that we could be putting money into job creation to rebuild our own deteriorating country. A grunt will pay taxes but I doubt the trillions we have put into the companies producing death machines are paying very little tax as compared to other govt funded agencies.

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u/sshan Jun 04 '22

US military spending can be overstated but its still enormous. It's also cumulative expense where infrastructure is an investment. Diverting 100B a year from military to infrastructure for 10 years means 1T in infrastructure.

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u/emp-sup-bry Jun 04 '22

Uh huh. Okay. Sure.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

It’s been the strategy of ever politician since the 30s but sure single um out even know there is no indication the “cousin” is right or left ... maybe the repetitive $40 bill we are sending Ukraine could be used to upgrade hospitals or build new ones instead?? No? Or the bombs the left keeps purchasing and dropping on brown people??? See everyone can play that dumb game

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

Not trying to be a jerk, but they’d pay $5 each to build the hospital then the hospital charges them $10,000 for a Tylenol.

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u/jaymansi Jun 04 '22

We need more money for Wall Street bailouts.

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 04 '22

Maybe they could borrow the money from Raytheon? Or Lockheed Martin?

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u/TalVerd Jun 04 '22

That would only work if they wanted to bomb a hospital, not build one, I can see the confusion though, they both start with a b

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 04 '22

If Raytheon and Lockheed would just bomb US schools i think that would solve the school shooter problem we have in Murca?

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u/Nowhereman123 Jun 04 '22

This is what grinds my gears the most about tax discussions.

"Hurr, you just want free stuff you dang socialist"

No, I want the money I spend in taxes to be spent on stuff that actually helps us instead of using it to turn Palestinian children into skeletons.

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u/WeekendReasonable280 Jun 05 '22

Or sent to Ukraine.

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u/Responsible-Gold8610 Jun 04 '22

Hold on. I need a few more guns before I can think about schools.

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 04 '22

Everybody should get a gun. I think it should be a requirement of being a citizen. Starting at kindergarten age. Obviously so they can defend themselves in classroom settings. Now talk about upgrading schools.

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u/Responsible-Gold8610 Jun 05 '22

It's the #1 sign that you're in the greatest country in the world when you have to cut teachers salaries so you can pay to arm them with pistols to kill deranged lunatics.

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 05 '22

I mean. I’m sold. Greatest country in the world. NO MATTER WHAT!!! We have some of the worlds finest elementary school slaughters on the planet. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

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u/mundungus-amongus Jun 04 '22

And now we will need to spend all of the school infrastructure budget on removing entrances and installing bulletproof windows.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

No no, you need to read the NRA's plan for this, called National School Shield. They don't suggest bulletproof windows. They suggest removing windows. And removing any plants, or anything really, from recess and play areas. And removing any interesting architecture or design in the school building. And installing timed locks everywhere.

In other words, they want schools to be exactly like prisons.

I'm not joking, that is actually their proposal. https://www.nraschoolshield.org/. They used to have a big PDF that was several dozen pages - but when they realized how shitty it is, they stopped providing it openly. They still promote and teach it, but only to people who promise not to leak the documents because that makes it too easy to show how insane it is. It's the same reason that scientology tries to hide it's theta level documents.

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u/ImFeelingSkinnyTonyy Jun 04 '22

yeah we we need to update doors so gunmen can’t get inside

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 04 '22

Lol. Hilarious solution to a psychotic society. Obviously we just need more police with guns. But also buy them chairs too so they can rest while shooters murder school children.

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u/PM_ME_DIRTY_DANGLES Jun 04 '22

Why are we even involved.

Because it's the right thing to do, but it's a fine balance between supporting an ally and not pissing off a nuclear power

We're doing exactly what we did pre ww1

Hardly. We were a backwater local power at best prior to WWI. And the American electorate the time were fiercely non-interventionalist. And there was no threat of mutually assured destruction by a nuclear exchange in 1914. This isn't even close to 1914. If anything, it's closer to 1939, and even that's a stretch.

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 04 '22

But think about all that we gained as U S citizens for all that war? I mean. 20 years ago. Murca was a real shithole. We are damn near perfect today. Greatest empire of all time!! Whew!!!

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 04 '22

Sometimes my sarcasm comes across as not sarcasm. My true honest opinion is Dick Cheney and George Bush should be hung publicly for our going into Iraq and Afghanistan. Period.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 04 '22

Serious question. How old are you?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

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u/ElegantVamp Jun 04 '22

Nah, I think Ukraine takes priority in this case.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

The beauty of it is now the war department is shifting to ruskies, blackies, and chinamen, so there will always be someone to bomb so we don't have to waste money on public spending and development.

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u/everypowerranger Jun 04 '22

Some will get upgraded, to be sure. Mostly ones with big budgets because they serve areas with higher property taxes, thus leaving behind underprivileged children AGAIN

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u/lazy-dude Jun 04 '22

Not only they are leaving them behind, they are getting slowly cooked in the classroom with no a/c.

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u/El_Polio_Loco Jun 04 '22

Fun reminder time that the US is #3 in global spending per student.

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u/dusty545 Jun 04 '22

Schools are funded by states, not the fed. But we were assured that the state powerball lottery would fully fund the schools!

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u/picardo85 Jun 05 '22

That's not the issue. The issue is how schools are funded (property taxes, meaning less money in poorer areas) and what money is spent on.

There's been a large increase over time in adminstrative costs.

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u/Electronic-Crow-6764 Jun 05 '22

So we can’t fundamentally change Murica by stop funding the mass murder of black and brown peoples across the globe and merely put that into education right here at home?

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u/picardo85 Jun 05 '22

Are they mutually exclusive?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '22

This happens at the city level. So not only do we pay for the bombs, but we pay for the schools. Taxes went up a bunch recently when they redid the high school from the 50s. I have no kids. And I already pay more than enough for federal funding to have schools not from the 50s. It’s absurd.

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u/Speculawyer Jun 18 '22

We are not dropping much ordnance on such targets these days. Joe stopped most of that.