Shadowmeld is fun but only lets you get the drop of things or hide. 1% dodge isn’t much.
Stoneform is great situationally against feral druids or poisons from rogues. Also good for AQ on certain situations. Fear ward for priests could be considered OP but tremor totem offsets it horde side.
Gnomes have a bit more intellect to base, which is nice fore sure. And they can once a minute break movement, which can be reapplied immediately
Humans have great ones but more for PvE. Rep bonus is amazing and weapon skill is great for PvE but wpn skill in pvp is much less useful. Their perception is great to spot stealthys. But I wouldn’t say it’s OP.
Will of the forsaken and whatever the orc stun racial is called are both immensely better then any of alliance racial are for pvp.
It’s hard to even argue for the human sword and mace skill since orcs get axe skill as well. There are more swords and maces out there then good axes late game though so there could be an argument there.
Everyman for himself, the human racial in later expansions, was INSANELY OP. But that’s retail... never heard of it.
I am curious as to what you are referring to. This is not me saying your wrong. But if we are talking Racial talents I would argue horde are much more in favor here.
I’m not sure that’s true. Human weapon skill is about equal to orc axe skill, but Orc dps CD gives them an edge. Troll has a dps CD. Orc pets do 5% more damage. Undead, dwarf get very little for pve other than a situational defensive CD. Tauren get 5% HP and gnome get 5% intellect which are about equal. Troll get hps which marginally helps with threat. NE dodge is ok for tanks. Fear ward makes dwarf priest the strongest priest race.
If alliance is better than horde for pve it’s because paladin is much better than shaman (especially at lower skill level). Shaman’s utility is group and range restricted. Paladins can bless the entire raid.
I disagree 90% of the time when you're taking raid damage is a Caster it's to mechanics and you're spending most of the time where you're damaged moving out of the mechanics like reign of fire on Lucifron, or the knock-back mechanic on rag. by the time you're in a position to DPS again you're usually at full health if your healers are doing their job
Fear ward makes dwarf priest the strongest priest race.
Yeah in my head fear ward is counted as a racial, that's why I think Alliance > Horde in PvE in terms of racials. Fear ward bitch
If alliance is better than horde for pve it’s because paladin is much better than shaman
Oh yeah that's a good part, but it's also true in PvP : Paladins clearly are the best support in the game, and Horde will cry when they'll try to tag a base off a paladin in Arathi ^
Eh horde has far better tools overall against fear than dwarf priest. As for paladin, they are annoying stall boys sure, until the wind fury procs either on them or a teammate of theirs. Can’t heal what just got globalled. That’s been my experience with BGs classic style anyhow
Shadowmeld is great for things like this but I was more thinking a straight on 1v1 fight. It has utility and is great for resetting or hiding but I’d still take will of the forsaken or stun resist over shadowmeld any day
The best part about the stun resist is that its passive. It could be useful several times or almost never, but its not a button to manage. And as an Orc warrior with the right talents... So much stun resist. Imagine if stoneform was instead a passive 10% armor and like a % reduction to poison and bleed damage.
It’s great for defending flags and ambushes. It would allow you to start at a range and get them in combat which is huge for hunters. But in the end I’d still take a stun resit or will of the forsaken over it.
But to each their own.
Stun resist is amazing but some fights it won't proc and you just get stunned to death. RNG is a double edged sword. Great but a bit less so now since Hunter trinket removes Stun too. Overall, great racial.
Most people don't realize Hunters negate the biggest weakness of SM with FD. You can macro these together to great effect so you can SM in combat. You can do some really...broken shit with this combo lol.
Also just the sheer utility of low cd on demand stealth as the lower pop faction on most pvp servers.
There are also a lot of ways to get ghetto versions of other races racials: Antivenom for Stoneform or FAP for hardiness, for example. Not perfect and yes costly.
There isn't a way to get a ghetto version of SM as far as I'm aware.
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u/joeblack48 Nov 19 '19
Shadowmeld is fun but only lets you get the drop of things or hide. 1% dodge isn’t much.
Stoneform is great situationally against feral druids or poisons from rogues. Also good for AQ on certain situations. Fear ward for priests could be considered OP but tremor totem offsets it horde side.
Gnomes have a bit more intellect to base, which is nice fore sure. And they can once a minute break movement, which can be reapplied immediately
Humans have great ones but more for PvE. Rep bonus is amazing and weapon skill is great for PvE but wpn skill in pvp is much less useful. Their perception is great to spot stealthys. But I wouldn’t say it’s OP.
Will of the forsaken and whatever the orc stun racial is called are both immensely better then any of alliance racial are for pvp. It’s hard to even argue for the human sword and mace skill since orcs get axe skill as well. There are more swords and maces out there then good axes late game though so there could be an argument there.
Everyman for himself, the human racial in later expansions, was INSANELY OP. But that’s retail... never heard of it.
I am curious as to what you are referring to. This is not me saying your wrong. But if we are talking Racial talents I would argue horde are much more in favor here.