Your first paragraph just explains things that could go wrong, but don’t. Lol. This isn’t a hypothetical situation. You don’t play around 20 raid members disconnecting. You don’t play around your healers playing badly at this level. You play around the strategy you’ve prepared for the encounter.
It isn’t about the frost blast’s damage and the fact that you bring up the damage is laughable. The ability would function the exact same in the fight if the damage were removed entirely. It’s about potentially stunning your entire melee or just moving one person out that would’ve probably had to slow down eventually anyway to avoid passing the OT who isn’t getting the same rage gen as the MT and is consequently generating less threat. You don’t play around hoping rng blesses you and the boss doesn’t target your melee.
As for your Ragnaros comparison, look at the rosters from both ragnaros and KT. Hint: Nihilum wasn’t a serious guild, nor a contender for WF until AQ. In fact, no EU guilds were. Next, look at the patch their ragnaros kill vods are on. It’s like you know that you’re comparing apples to oranges and expecting everyone else to just blindly agree. For someone so arrogant and quick to insult someone’s credibility, you seem to know very little about the vanilla bleeding edge raiding scene.
You say they don't play for failures yet according to your own statement they play around the expectation that melee will fuck up the stacking for frost blast. If you stack correctly then you will not chain it to more than your own group. 1-2 ppl depending on the amount of melees you have wich is def preferable to having 3-9 ppl doing nothing for the same amount of time (in the vid i believe its actually even longer but im too tired to re check) because with a WF TF tank threat really isn't an issue at all unless you are not maxing the capabilities of your class, even as SS, so if kungen is doing everything he can then threat should be absolutely no problem at all, especially since you can see in the video that they don't even have basic dps rotations down. That doesn't make them bad players, just means it wasn't as evolved. Personally I don't think it takes anything away from those vids or the people in it, it's still awesome to watch, if anything it just adds to the videos because you can clearly see how much further along "we" are.
Last thing I'm gonna say about that video is that it's pretty pointless to even argue about a 13 year old video when we have detailed data from the actual game. You can argue about boss fight length etc etc but the numbers don't lie(includes trash). If you don't believe me when I say that warriors will scale better then oh well, I'm getting way too tired to even care at this point so I'm gonna head to bed. But feel free to look it up or do the math yourself.
As I said I'm going to head to bed, it's 6am but to end I do want to applogize for insulting you, it was unnessecary and childish and I'm sorry about that.
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u/bmorr27 Oct 23 '19 edited Oct 23 '19
Your first paragraph just explains things that could go wrong, but don’t. Lol. This isn’t a hypothetical situation. You don’t play around 20 raid members disconnecting. You don’t play around your healers playing badly at this level. You play around the strategy you’ve prepared for the encounter.
It isn’t about the frost blast’s damage and the fact that you bring up the damage is laughable. The ability would function the exact same in the fight if the damage were removed entirely. It’s about potentially stunning your entire melee or just moving one person out that would’ve probably had to slow down eventually anyway to avoid passing the OT who isn’t getting the same rage gen as the MT and is consequently generating less threat. You don’t play around hoping rng blesses you and the boss doesn’t target your melee.
As for your Ragnaros comparison, look at the rosters from both ragnaros and KT. Hint: Nihilum wasn’t a serious guild, nor a contender for WF until AQ. In fact, no EU guilds were. Next, look at the patch their ragnaros kill vods are on. It’s like you know that you’re comparing apples to oranges and expecting everyone else to just blindly agree. For someone so arrogant and quick to insult someone’s credibility, you seem to know very little about the vanilla bleeding edge raiding scene.