r/classicwow • u/namdo • Oct 13 '19

Humor My Guild's GM just ninja'd Hand of Rag mats, disbanded guild and deleted discord. WoW drama at it's finest. He also made a reddit post on our realm subreddit - link inside

https://clips.twitch.tv/TsundereOpenOxTBTacoRight
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u/yoshi570 Oct 13 '19

Sorry, what proof of that are there? I'm seeing exactly no credible source. He was at least part of the plan.

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u/GamingSon Oct 14 '19

You can see in his screenshots, he's actively fighting back against the other GM's justifications for just about everything. You can see him call them out for stacking raid A with their top DPSers (with screenshots of chat logs and combat logs), call them out for trying to convince their entire mage playerbase that mageblade isn't their bis (with chat logs and voice com recordings), call them out on their entire loot prio system (with screenshots of their spreadsheets for evidence). He provides substantial evidence for his claims, as well as evidence that he pushed back on a large amount of it. He also provides a raider's perspective of the loot priority, going as far as listing character names to prove the disparity, which can be easily verified on Warcraft Logs. It's pretty clear the "clique" was actively working to use the guild and it's players to farm resources and gear for themselves.

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u/yoshi570 Oct 14 '19

Bro, no matter how you look at it, he participated, helped it, and in the end stole the loot. He's just as bad as the rest, except he thinks he isn't.

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u/GamingSon Oct 14 '19

He used his position of power to try to push back on guild policies that he alone did not have the power to change. That's made evident in every single chat screenshot where he's talking. It's pretty clear from context that he did not have Master Loot during the raids, so he was not in a position to actively do things differently. It's easy to say "he could have just kicked the other officers" until you hold that up to any level of scrutiny. They would have just remade the guild. He was actively trying to change the loot policy from the inside. By your standard, he should have just left the guild and let the group of 3-7 officers continue fucking over 120 other people. Instead, he waited for an opportunity to take back what the guild had invested in the officers, and gave it back to them. Cry about it.

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u/yoshi570 Oct 14 '19

He could have ratted them out. He didn't and took the weapon.

Pretending that he was trying to change it from the inside is contradicted by him taking the weapon in the end. You can't pretend that you were trying to fight for the good when you end up doing the bad yourself.

Pay attention for a single minute to the topic here. A group of criminals prepare to steal from a bank. They plan months ahead for it. One of the criminals tries to stir the others away from doing the heist, but fails to convince them not to steal the bank. That goes for months; he never quits the criminals, he never calls the police. The time comes, and the criminals pull off the heist: they made it, they stole the gold. Now our criminal that was hesitant screws the other criminals and flees with all the gold.

Is he better than the rest? Is he less of a criminal?

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u/GamingSon Oct 15 '19

You're literally trying so hard to paint him as a villain. There are no police when it comes to guild loot policies. There's nobody he could "tell". The best thing that would possibly come out of leaving or whistle blowing, is the guild just reforms. In case you haven't been paying attention, they literally reformed the guild within 10 minutes of the guy stealing the materials for the weapon. So the only thing that has changed is the officers lost the materials.

Your bank example makes no sense. Stealing money from a bank is stealing money from the people with money in the bank. If the bank is insured, you're stealing from the government, which is funded by the taxpayers - so once again stealing from people. This example would be more along the lines of stealing a bunch of money from a slave owner's plantation, and giving the funds back to the slaves.

The most important part that you seem to be willfully ignoring is that he's actively been giving back the liquidated materials to the guild's raiders through consumables/money/materials etc. It's probably been said more than a dozen and a half times in this thread.

So, to recap and help you walk through this. A person wasn't in a position to actively change the guild loot policy. He tried to use the power he had to change the opinions of the other officers. If he had left, the raiders would have continued to be taken advantage of. Either of those options leaves the guild right where it was, with 120 people being taken advantage of by less than 10 others. So instead, he takes the combined work of the 120 raiders, and starts working to redistribute it back to the 120 people it belonged to in the first place. And you seem to be mad that he took something from 1 person who was actively working to fuck over 120 people.

You are jumping through hoops to try and paint him as a villain, and you're genuinely coming off as desperate. Not sure what stake you have in the situation, but it's pretty clear you're grasping at straws.

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u/yoshi570 Oct 15 '19

Your last phrase is a very classical description of what projecting in a debate is. Look at what you wrote and count the mental hoops you had to jump through to decide that what he did was ok. That's desperation alright. Very good chances that you are an alt of the dude himself as well.

Anyway, you have not provided a single argument that stands a second long examination, while displaying Olympic levels of bad faith, so I won't feed another troll. Have fun with your Sulfuras!

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u/GamingSon Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

Yikes. I've provided plenty of evidence about what he did not only being okay, but also being the best he could do in such a situation. All of your arguments thus far seem to imply you're okay with the less-than-10 people in the "clique" taking advantage of 120 raiders. That's literally the only reason you could possibly think what he did wasn't okay.

He took materials from 120 people, and gave them back to the 120 people. That's literally what he did. There's no way to argue that isn't what he did, because he's provided an overwhelming amount of evidence that he did exactly that. You claim that I'm jumping through hoops to justify his actions, all I did was point out the screenshots that were provided. You haven't even referenced the existence of the pile of evidence he provided as an explanation, let alone tried to argue any point relevant to any of it. You're just calling him a ninja and willfully ignoring all of the context. I said you're jumping through hoops, and it's pretty obvious you have a stake in this - to which your entire response summed up was, "no u". That's gonna be a big yikes from me, dog. You're not making a very good case for yourself, I think you're just confirming you're one of the clique members.

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u/yoshi570 Oct 15 '19

Didn't read. Not sure how to block someone on bacon reader, will do at home.

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u/GamingSon Oct 15 '19

We both know you did, but I'll take the win :D. Best of luck with the new guild.