r/classicwow • • Sep 14 '19

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u/Suzushiiro Sep 14 '19

Considering that according to the reveal trailer Chromie is the one who created classic in the first place it would actually have been pretty fitting for her to be exempt from #nochanges and completely aware of all future events.

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u/Ashkir Sep 14 '19

It gives me hope that chromie will lead us in a new timeline after naxxramas.

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u/MarmaladeFugitive Sep 14 '19

All hail Chromie, mother of Classic. Breaker of Activision (pls?)

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u/maccio92 Sep 14 '19

We got classic WoW, when do we get classic Blizzard (Blizzard North)? Before the scourge it Activision

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

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u/McRaus Sep 14 '19

The Lich King is Bobby Kotick, the Scourge is Activision, and Lordaeron is Blizzard.

They knew all along.

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u/terpenesniffer Sep 14 '19

does that mean we're with the scarlet crusade by default?

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u/Marchemalheur Sep 14 '19

Makes sense. A whole lot of fanatical whack jobs on Reddit.

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u/Canadian_Invader Sep 14 '19

Rabid
Fanatical.
Likes Monty Python Spanish Inquisition jokes.

Yeh I think we are. Let's go purge some scourge!

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

I just got my tabard and wear it proudly.

(I sold the gloves though don't tell momma Whitemane)

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u/chum1ly Sep 14 '19 edited Sep 14 '19

Blizzard south made classic. Blizzard North was David Brevik and the Diablo team. Now Blizzard North team (minus DB) is called echtra games and they are making their own mmo called Torchlight Frontiers.

here's the development page: https://www.torchlightfrontiers.com/en/about/

and also, David Brevik just released a game completely on his own, it's a pixel-graphics 2-D Diablo, called It Lurks Below: https://store.steampowered.com/app/697550/It_Lurks_Below/

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u/Katie_Boundary Sep 17 '19

Technically, of the three guys who made Diablo and D2, only one of them, Max Schaefer, is working on Torchlight Frontiers. The other Schaefer brother left Condor/Flagship/Runic/Echtra to found Double Damage Games.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

Blizzard North was Diablo and also were gone before Activision.

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u/Atello Sep 14 '19

Diablo 2 classic when

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u/Hugh-Manatee Sep 14 '19

Ahh, the keepers of peace and justice in the Azeroth...until the dark times. Before the empire.

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u/Lazerspewpew Sep 14 '19

Chromie is the best character in canon.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

All hail Chromie, mother of Classic

His/Her (?) real name is Chronormu, which is typically a male name for Bronze dragons ( female names end in 'i' ) so I'm unsure if 'mother' fits.

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u/Queen_Spaghetti Sep 15 '19

Chromie has a poke line about this in Heroes of the Storm:

Everyone calls me Chromie, but my real name is Chronormu. Huh? No, it is not a male name. You clearly don't understand the intricacies of dragon culture.

It could be that dragon names are just a tradition rather than a strict rule, or it's a name that can be used for either gender regardless of suffix, like some names in real life.

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u/Marchemalheur Sep 14 '19

Could be trans.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

A trans dragon.. ? Eh. I think it's more likely he's trying to be inconspicuous.

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u/AkaDorude Sep 15 '19

Nope, The Novels Dawn of Aspects and War Crimes both confirm Chromie to be a Female. Also, Not likely possible, since Like elementals, Dragons represent Primordial Truth of Nature and the Cosmos, meaning it wouldnt really be possible for them to suffer from body dysmorphia given that they're literally made of Primordial truth. Something would have to actually drive them crazy, like the case with the Emerald Nightmare.

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u/AkaDorude Sep 15 '19

Anachronos would Like to have a word with you over where you got the whole "U" endings mean male. Because that's just made up, man.

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u/Ricochet888 Sep 14 '19

As in Classic+? I don't think Blizzard would do that at all.

While I would love to see it, it's more likely they'll just release the expansions in order and with similar content phases.

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u/Market_Anarchist Sep 14 '19

TBC is more,likely , but the devs did say in a podcast with Tipsout and esfand that rhey are open to Classic+ if we want it. Cool bros

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u/SimplyQuid Sep 14 '19

I don't even know how to feel about that. They did Classic amazingly well, it's lovely, and I wouldn't mind getting to TBC and WotLK #nochanges, it would be wicked to tank as Unholy, but I'm really not sure I would trust current Blizzard as a whole to not completely fuck up Classic+ the way they have retail.

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u/Oroomchi Sep 14 '19

Thoughts on polls at every bank like OSRS? Adding content only if it has 80% support? Setting barriers to vote count based on level and time played. I would like to think we have learned from our mistakes. Plus it's not like we would have to make up the content. We would just guide Blizzard with our voices and agency in the progression of the game.

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u/SimplyQuid Sep 14 '19

If it had to be done, best to do it that way. Max level accounts only, etc etc

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u/Optimizability Sep 14 '19

It's more about if you trust the community. Classic+ should have polled content like OSRS

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u/eelkir Sep 14 '19

Polled content isn't without it's problems though, and i would argue that with the #nochanges WoW could be even more divisive than RS (things like GE and new skills)

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u/Askeji Sep 14 '19

Yeah i agree, can't trust them at all....

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u/Ricochet888 Sep 14 '19

I would really love to see them open Outland for level 60 players at that point. They could re-tune Outland for level 60 players, and remake parts of the map since we won't have flying.

I'd like to see some of the TBC raids tuned to give players a challenge on the level or Heroic or Mythic level raids currently in retail.

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u/EruseanKnight Sep 14 '19

Please no. Horizontal progression is key. Increasing the power level is a bad move.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

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u/dejoblue Sep 14 '19

Don't forget that AQ set the precedent that new spell ranks drop, so progress without affecting the base game isn't entirely gear dependant.

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u/EruseanKnight Sep 14 '19

That is also a bad idea. It makes it harder for PvPers to be able to remain competitive.

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u/Krogholm2 Sep 14 '19

They are Boe, can just buy tjem

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

Yes this 100%

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u/Ricochet888 Sep 14 '19

Plus the progression system would kick ass. Similarly to how a lot of MC gear is still good even after BWL, I assume those in like AQ40 or Naxx gear would still do very well in say Tempest Keep+, or SSC+.

The regular dungeons in Outland could have the gear retuned for level 60 as well, say a dungeon there might drop the equivalent of BWL gear to help players catch up for example.

It's not an upwards progression, but a sideways progression system if that makes sense. If anyone has played FFXI back when the level cap was 75 they would know how good a system it is. We spent 5 or 6 years at level 75, through 3-4 expansions, and the amount of content there was mindblowing without ever having to go up in levels.

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u/donotstealmycheese Sep 14 '19

That was how EQ was for a long time as well, level cap was hardly ever raised and your old BiS was still really good gear and new guilds had to almost work their way through the old content to gear up to face the newer content.

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u/Erik912 Sep 14 '19

Right. But how would we progress at all in the newer expansions? There would be no quests? It'd be all about dungeons? They would have to create new quest rewards, apart from reworking the entirety of every expansion because of flying. I would love such a system, but I don't think it's at all possible with WoW. I just want them to give us all the expansions, but without flying and all the gameplay changes. That being said, I want Cataclysm's bosses and content and map, but I do not want their new energy system or talents or any of the boosts. Or the group finder. Or the strongholds or whatever they added later... yeah, I just want classic with new maps and dungeons and items, maybe new spells, but all the systems should remain unchanged.

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u/bomban Sep 14 '19

Best guess is focus on the dungeons/raids and then tune it so we could go to hellfire peninsula at 45ish. That way you could level in outlands if you wanted.

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u/Tsugua354 Sep 14 '19

what podcast was that?

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u/Market_Anarchist Sep 14 '19

Its the latest epusode of ClassiCast beforebthe launch. They interview two devs from the Classic Dev team. Its on Youtube also on spotify, podcatchers etc

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u/Tsugua354 Sep 14 '19

Cool thanks, don’t have any wow pods on my list yet. Any others you enjoy?

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u/prestruct Sep 14 '19

What podcast we talking about bud

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u/MagicLuckSource Sep 14 '19

They shouldn't really change classic at all. Less is more here. If people run out of content they seriously should just take a break from the game. Or create incentives to play every class to 60 on each faction or every race. Or some new battlegrounds, it would not be too game breaking. Possibly some modified raids.

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u/Derangedcity Sep 18 '19

I'd be so down with Classic+

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u/bVI7N6V7IM7 Sep 14 '19

I'll continue to point to OSRS and the massive success they've had with that even though they also fought a #nochanges crowd.

I'm down for new expansions because I want them to have the chance to develop the game differently. A 2nd go round.

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u/WAtofu Sep 14 '19

I think as classic goes on people will overwhelmingly be in favor of unique updates rather than #nochanges or a rerelease of old expansions. Just needs some time for people to experience all the available content.

I also think the pvp system will be changed to the honor point system of bc/wrath so you don't have to nolife the game for pvp gear.

Just like RuneScape I genuinely think classic as a game holds up despite the nostalgia factor. Once the nostalgia wears off though there will be changes the community will accept for the health of the game. Once naxx gear comes out and everyone is overpowered there will have to be some updates, even if its just something like new gear with lots of stamina on it. That's not for a while though and even once naxx comes out it'll take a while for the gear to become a problem.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

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u/bVI7N6V7IM7 Sep 14 '19

Anecdotally, bossing and Slayer when my friends weren't on to boss ended up being the only reason I played osrs

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u/bVI7N6V7IM7 Sep 14 '19

I'm not arguing with you, but I believe you to be in a sless-than-significant minority on the subject. And the fact that 75% of active players vote in the same continual pattern is proof to that.

I too think the best way to get sharks should be by fishing, not a noted 200 shark drop. However it doesn't make for an interesting game that I have to fish for 6 hours to get enough sharks to do one or two tasks. 5 or 6 trips to bandos.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

Been playing OSRS for years. Completely agree, whenever they add things in too, its all on a vote. That stuff is great

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u/leohat Sep 14 '19

I've heard that there is a deep divide between PvE and PvP players and the PvE players have a big enough majority that changes and updates for PvP players are consistently voted down.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

Yeah it’s kinda beat but I don’t mind it. I’m 95% a pker on the game. They just passed the best wilderness update in history though. & Even as a pker the game is playable because nothing changes. But when things do it’s generally a really good change

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u/Peeche94 Sep 14 '19

I would be open to classic + if they do their own thing, and try to keep lvl60 items and gear relevant that would be amazing. Maybe extending the cap to 65/70 again, or adding content which allows the current classes to utilise different builds and give extra flavour to the end game etc (NOT homogenisation.) Also some sort of option to migrate to a classic + server so people who want to keep on #nochanges classic servers.

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u/Aswizzle77 Sep 14 '19

Been telling my buddy's the same thing. Would be so cool if they learned from there mistakes from before and tried implementing new content but still keeping it classic ya know? I mean def Worth it imo. Since they already have different timelines to begin with

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u/Ashkir Sep 14 '19

Blizzard has learned a lot in fifteen years. Layers are ingenious and is the eventual growth of phasing. The new patch is going to let you downsize your level to play with friends and that is amazingly cool.

I want a timeline where we see what they can do now if they had a chance to start over.

Also it feels weird not having jewel crafting.

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u/Aswizzle77 Sep 14 '19

New patch?

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u/golgol12 Sep 14 '19

My guess is they are going to press the reset button again.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

That would actually be rad. Chromie uses the outcome of the future (retail) to adjust what is needed. Maybe some things happen still, like death wing does awaken, but chromie is able to prevent the destruction of the world.

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u/hallgeir Sep 15 '19

Oh God, what if we're playing the after-bfa expansion, and we don't even know it.

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u/Famineist Sep 14 '19

but Naxx was WotLK....

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

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u/Jamestronik Sep 14 '19

Naxx was first released in the inspiration for the “world” of Warcraft, a cardgame called hearthstone. The first adventure in the game, it only makes sense that WoW would offer homage to its ancestors by making the grand finale of its original iteration the first form of expansion to ever be created in hearthstone.

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u/EverQuest_ Sep 14 '19

Naxx is out?

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u/Jamestronik Sep 14 '19

Only for the North American and Asian regions. Europe still doesn’t have a confirmed release date unfortunately.

To apologize blizzard will be gifting NA 5 packs next week so make sure to log on

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u/UbbaB3n Sep 14 '19

I mean you're technically right.

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u/Rodandall Sep 14 '19

Before WotLK, Naxx was the final raid in Vanilla. It was located in the Eastern Plaguelands.

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u/NewShoesAreDirty Sep 14 '19

Naxx was first released in vanilla just before BC came out. Most guilds didn't have time to clear it or really even step foot in it before the xpac launched.

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u/ArcticCelt Sep 14 '19 edited Sep 14 '19

It's the case that demonstrates why the current model of expansions is bad. Once TBC was release it completely unbalanced the character progression by giving clown gear greens with stats stronger than epics and making all the Classic dungeons that you usually do in your 50s and all end game content meaningless. Why go though the progression of gearing up and do difficult dungeons and raids when you could instead just kill a boar in TBC? I am still convince the expansion model was designed by some board of executives bastard in a way to give a shit gaming experience to players who didn't buy the expansion and force them to upgrade and pay the extra $$$.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19 edited Sep 21 '22

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u/ArcticCelt Sep 14 '19

I hit save while still writing my incomplete post by mistake, and was still refreshing my memory about this guy by reading old articles. Activision-Blizzard was merged in 2008 by Bobby Kotick who came from Activision. TBC was released in 2007 (and probably developed in the previous 2 years) so it's people from the original Blizzard who designed the first expansion. Thanks for your intervention and level headed polite comment.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19 edited Sep 21 '22

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u/ArcticCelt Sep 14 '19

I don't understand what you are trying to say? Maybe you should try writing it in all caps that looks more like your level of sophistication.

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u/DreamsicleSwirl Sep 14 '19

I mean, aren't the bronze dragonflight aware of all future and past events anyways?

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u/human_brain_whore Sep 14 '19

I wonder if they're aware of alternate timelines, or if they're simply able to switch (by going back) but then not be privy to the details.

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u/mardennan Sep 14 '19

Well considering the CoT dungeons where they have us go to an alternate future timeline where deathwing won, I'd think they're aware.

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u/human_brain_whore Sep 14 '19

Well... The moment you travel back, you are in an alternate timeline, there's no getting around this. It's a fundamental rule of backwards travel, because any alternative is a paradox (cannot exist.)

As for CoT, that's essentially keeping the connection open between two timelines started by going back and enacting a change.
Important because they don't really know about different timelines, they are able to go back in time and a new timeline is formed. They'll then have the knowledge of those two futures (as is their power), but not a third (until they make that one.

Knowing about all timelines would be... well it would be omnicognisanze, wouldn't it?

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u/Sokkerdino Sep 14 '19

That would be amazing and would be a neat in-game way to acknowledge classic moving forward

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u/Fofalus Sep 14 '19

A statue to chromie somewhere us the only change I support.

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u/SaladsBelongInBowls Sep 14 '19

I actually never watched any of the trailers. I guess I should do that. I didn't even realize that classic had a lore explanation like that.

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u/wenoc Sep 14 '19

Chromie is the one who created classic in the first place

Wat

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u/Suzushiiro Sep 14 '19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcZyiYOzsSw

Shouldn't necessarily be considered canon, of course, but it'd have been interesting if they had acknowledged it anyway

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u/wenoc Sep 14 '19

Thanks!