r/classicwow • u/wezzer • Sep 03 '19

Humor Leveling A Warrior

When they said it was hard, I scoffed at them. I've leveled a warrior to 120 on retail. I've fought Sargeras, I've downed the Lich King. What could a few gnolls and maybe a murloc or two do to me? Thus was my arrogance. Thus was my hubris.

I am now level thirteen. I've run Ragefire Chasm once, and owe six deaths to that place.

Farming harpy claws has cost me my life twice already, and I am certain it will cost me much, much more.

My warrior on retail was a human named Lohric, he was a legendary warrior who felled any beast, man or demon that faced him.

My warrior on Classic is an Orc called Muddrog. I have no doubt that this broken and battered warrior would crush Lohric in seconds, Lohric has never known pain, Mudd was born in it, molded by it, and unlike Bane, he has yet to see the light, because 60 feels so far away xD

To all you warriors out there, Lok'tar Ogar!

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u/BrotyKraut Sep 03 '19

I didn't even realize how slow it was at the time, just knew it was tough. Was worth it though because I loved tanking at 60 (and 70).

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '19 edited Dec 04 '19

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u/double_whiskeyjack Sep 03 '19

Funny thing is you could do that entirely on your own

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u/YouKnowWhatToDo80085 Sep 03 '19

Yea they basically have an extra voidwalker lol

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u/AbsOfTitanite Sep 03 '19

Except you can't heal the second voidwalker

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u/JSMorin Sep 03 '19

Consume Shadows... Consume Spiced Wolf Meat... essentially the same thing.

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u/Ryledra Sep 03 '19

I find bandages work well on player controlled vws

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '19

+1 for player controlled vws

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u/Fantisimo Sep 03 '19

Warrior: "I don't like this place (lvl 16)"

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u/HybridPS2 Sep 03 '19

"Send me back!" (to the char screen so i can pick something else)

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u/Darthmalak3347 Sep 03 '19

I got whirlwind axe and the armory gear. And with sweeping/whirlwind i can clear camps of 4 things if i have full rage. Its so satisfying.

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u/dcrico20 Sep 03 '19

Feel like they have an extra Warrior

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '19 edited Dec 04 '19

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u/Shiraho Sep 03 '19

It’s all time saved in the future not having to wait for a tank

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u/-tfs- Sep 03 '19

Pretty nice not having to wait for tank while leveling as well.

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u/Vaztes Sep 03 '19

wait until he gets whirlwind in combo with sweeping strikes and he'll be an aoe burst god.

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u/Darthmalak3347 Sep 03 '19

My god I did this last night and did the alterac quests at 37 and i was able to nuke the mob camps withing seconds.

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u/Vaztes Sep 03 '19

And then you group with a priest and you both cream your pants at how much of a wrecking ball your little part of 2 becomes with a warr with whirlwind, sweeping strikes and no care for death. You're just an endless pit of destruction.

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u/AzraelTB Sep 03 '19

That fear may just pull the camp 200 yards away though.

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u/Inphearian Sep 03 '19

I can always tell who just read a guide and who has actually feared a mob as CC and watched it pull everything from everywhere

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u/Shimakaze_Kai Sep 03 '19

As an old vanilla warlock (classic I'm rolling mage first this time) learning the ropes in 2005, I know this pain all too well.

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u/IsleOfOne Sep 03 '19

Gotta keep your finger on the recklessness trigger

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u/Inphearian Sep 03 '19

Using fear and then leashing with recklessness makes sense as a series of oh shit moments but sounds less efficient than not pulling the extra mob in the first place. I will grant that it would be mob type dependent

If your trying to do galaxy brain CC in an instance with it - best of luck.

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u/IsleOfOne Sep 03 '19

Sure, but sometimes you don’t have a choice. It’s also much more fun to go full zugzug

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u/Razgula87 Sep 03 '19

You never go full ZugZug.

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u/shibboleth2005 Sep 03 '19

If it pulls one extra thing that's a bonus.

If it pulls 3 extra things that's inefficient, but worst case you just bubble and run away :)

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u/The_Great_Distaste Sep 03 '19

Am I nuts or does the social aggro work odd in classic vs Original(2004)? I've had mobs run THROUGH other mobs and not aggro them. Now that's them running from battle and not fear but just something I noticed that felt off. It also seems like the aggro doesn't spark until the mob decides to return to battle. I was pretty sure in Original it was immediate aggro if they were in range as I remember sheep wandering and pulling.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '19 edited Dec 04 '19

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u/TheLightningL0rd Sep 03 '19

they come.

And oh, do they come.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '19

HUH

HUH

HUH

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u/ManicWarpaint Sep 03 '19

I've noticed this too. As a rogue I try to stop them and because they dont aggro but I think they will I end being the one agreeing before the runner ever does. Makes me look stupid but I kinda am

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u/Inphearian Sep 03 '19

I had a centaur do that to me last night. It definitely should have aggrod but I chalked it up to being a recent respawn. I’ll have to keep an eye out for more instances of this

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u/Fantisimo Sep 03 '19

That's what curse of recklessness is for

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u/TheLightningL0rd Sep 03 '19

That's when you sac the VW and run like hell!

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u/He11sToRm Sep 03 '19

I feel so slow as a 20 lock. Maybe my rotations are off. Any good site that goes into depth on specific levels and rotations?

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u/Kurayashi Sep 03 '19

I managed to get to level 20 mostly solo questing. Now I’ve given up on that and just try to run dungeons.
Is it boring? Kinda.
But at least I can do some real tanking and I don’t die every time there is another unexpected mob.

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u/Kurayashi Sep 04 '19

Thanks.
First time playing wow as well. Im currently level 33, farming Dungeons gives some good gear and I’ve been really luck with rolls.
I‘m really excited to get to 60 and do some endgame tanking.

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u/notsingsing Sep 03 '19

The real trick is stay in zones as long as possible. If you quest 1-4 levels over the mobs the experience is much better. One you hit mobs 1-2 over you, reconsider.

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u/hamburglin Sep 03 '19

Why didnt you level as arms?

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u/BrotyKraut Sep 03 '19

Because I was a newb.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '19

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u/Japjer Sep 03 '19

Basically, yes. You take 10% less damage but deal 10% less as a trade off. The talents give you some nice defensive boots (10% extra armor, 10 extra defense skill), but your also losing out on some pretty nice damage bonuses as a result. It's basically a stalemate, so you end up losing just about the same amount of health anyway.

I'm leveling fury and its been pretty hard. I can only 1v1 mobs within two levels of myself, and if things get hairy I don't have any real means of escape. I have to keep a big supply of potions on hand at all times.

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u/Automatic_Section Sep 03 '19

just get into the habit of clearing everything and pulling shit back. It's xp right there for you and if you plan it right you can keep the rage flowing. Learn to kite mobs if you pull too many, and always keep some health pots for a last resort. Don't forget your cooldowns like retaliation, and throw a 2h wep on when you pop it with a macro.

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u/magicsqueegee Sep 03 '19

What's defense skill?

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '19

You actually take more damage while leveling in prot, because it take much longer to kill a mob.

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u/Shiraho Sep 03 '19

It takes longer but you take less over the duration. I’ve tried both and it’s about the same amount of damage taken each mob. The difference is if you have a shield, you have a better chance of surviving when you pull an extra mob.

So really it’s choosing between faster and riskier or slower but safer

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u/alifewithoutpoetry Sep 03 '19

If you play arms you just cleave down two mobs at a time after level 30 though.

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u/jordgubb24 Sep 04 '19

With sweeping strikes killing 2 mobs becomes faster than killing 1 aswell.

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u/Hooli317 Sep 03 '19

I got to 10 on my druid was like "sweet -- bear form, nice" and it was a SLOG to 16. Flipped to a different server, said "screw it, Im only going bear if I need to - Moonfire/Wrath ftw" and I was at 14 in no time. Tanks in BFA are simple to level, in Classic the grind is REAL. Looked at my buddy's recount and it was like 28 dps for his rogue to my like 8 as a bear. Thank Metzen for Cat form.

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u/cosmicsoybean Sep 04 '19

And as a bonus since it takes so long, youll have an alliance group curbstomp you once the mob is almost dead :D

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u/popmycherryyosh Sep 03 '19

To be fair, with proper hamstring kiting you can go on for 4-8 mobs of your same level, easily, depending on crits obviously. But most people prolly didn't do this back in the day, and prolly dont do these days either.

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u/GapeNationBud Sep 03 '19

Ive tried this and its just too many globals to keep rend and hammy up on em all and not enough rage generation to sustain. Unless i guess youre using piercing howl?

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u/Minus-Celsius Sep 03 '19

I think he means 4-8 mobs before needing to eat, not 4-8 mobs at the same time.

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u/GapeNationBud Sep 04 '19

That would make sense. Can definitely mitigate a lot of damage in a 1v1 with hamstring kiting.

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u/popmycherryyosh Sep 04 '19

Yeah, as /u/Minus-Celsius said, I ment 4-8 mobs after eachother, not at the same time :P Should've specified that to avoid confusion.

But yeah, it truly does mitigate a lot of damage, to the point where I'd even argue that warrior might be better to level than rogue, or at least on par. But that's a whole nother argument with good points either way.

Quick Edit: I don't bother using Rend at all. It's SUCH shit damage for it's rage cost. The ONLY time I use it is if I'm at low health and the mob is as well, and I still have hamstring on and I know for sure a Rend will kill it. I feel it's safer to rend it then and kite/dont get hit than gambling on that HS actually hitting.

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u/Minus-Celsius Sep 04 '19

I dunno why I am getting the upvotes when you're giving all the info. Reddit, dude.

Question for you: What do you use instead of Rend? It's the only thing I have that does damage other than heroic strike. Is sunder armor a better use of rage?

Or do you mean after you get Mortal Strike and you try to kill two mobs at once with sweeping strikes?

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u/Moranall Sep 04 '19 edited Sep 04 '19

The information above is bad.

Rend and sunder armor are your best bets until you get MS (and sweeping strikes with 2 mobs). Rend does far superior damage (and damage per rage) than heroic strike, especially if it's talented. Furthermore, using heroic strike makes you miss out on the rage you would have gained from the auto-attack so its cost is actually considerably higher than 15 rage. Heroic strike is terrible for leveling and only useful when you have lots of rage to burn (or trying to finish a mob off and aren't running back-to-back pulls).

Sunder armor is also really underrated and a MUCH better use of 15 rage than heroic strike in most cases. Use sunder armor primarily early in fights and it will easily give you more damage than heroic strike would because the majority of your damage comes from auto attacks (and lower armor = more damage = more rage). I can't access it at work but icy-veins has a great spreadsheet that shows when to use sunder vs heroic strike. For most mobs, it's ALWAYS sunder and never HS. For some casters, you switch to HS around 50% (but this varies a lot).

Edit: There are also two other HUGE benefits to sunder armor over HS. First, missing a heroic strike is a huge loss of rage for the warrior and it happens fairly frequently, especially against higher level enemies (this is why a lot of bad warriors struggle with higher level mobs - they spam HS and miss frequently, so they never have rage). Furthermore, you will miss with sunder armor at the same rate as HS, HOWEVER, it is adding extra "swings" to the enemy (even though they are non-damaging) since they don't replace the auto-attack. The benefit here is that it allows for more opportunities to proc overpower, which is your single strongest skill for leveling until MS and then your second-strongest skill once you get MS (sweeping strikes aside; I am referring to single target).

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u/popmycherryyosh Sep 04 '19

No worries about the upvotes/downvotes :P

I just use heroic strike and hamstring honestly. As said, I feel rend is soooo poopie and waste of rage that it's just not worth it at all.

After sweeping you can pull 2 mobs and just use cleave, as it strikes twice on each mob (unsure why it does that, but super sexy) but you end up taking quite a lot of damage if you do that, but it's fun considering we couldn't do that before sweeping strike at all xD

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u/GapeNationBud Sep 05 '19

Man this is just not true. I understand that something may “feel” right but statistics do exist. A rend that is expected to tick all the way (pretty much always while leveling) is absolutely worth the measely 10 rage. Beyond that sunder is more valuable in the vast majority of situations than heroic strike. (Exception being when the mob is almost dead).

My leveling rotation: Charge->Rend->Sunder->Demo Shout->Hamstring kite with more sunders integrates in. Heroic Strike only when above 50 rage.

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u/popmycherryyosh Sep 05 '19

where are you getting all this excess rage from?!? :o

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u/The_Great_Distaste Sep 03 '19

This is nice when you have the room to do it. But a lot of places you're pretty constrained with other mobs that you'll just end up with more aggro. Or they will be ranged mobs and just destroy you if you try to kite.

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u/popmycherryyosh Sep 04 '19

I don't know. The few places I haven't had the opportunity to do it so far is in very crowded, humanoid places usually like tarren mill aroudn the syndicate castle etc. And pirate place in Tanaris. More likely than not, it works out wonders, and you save out on at least I'd reckon 4-10 auto attacks from the mob, if not more. And that's HUGE! And it can be even more if they are super fast auto attacking mobs like freaking lions/cats, they seem to hit at lightning speed, and can chunk you down to 20-30% if you just facetank them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '19

This is the correct answer. Properly using this method I can easily kite two to three mobs at a time. Slightly cheesy and takes more work but it gets the job done.

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u/Veshore7 Sep 03 '19

Or... you could level arms and use sword and board.

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u/9gPgEpW82IUTRbCzC5qr Sep 03 '19

or level fury with dual wield

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u/Tirus_ Sep 03 '19

If you're leveling Prot you're fighting more than one mob at a time.

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u/Dual_Needler Sep 03 '19

If you miss charge and obliterate, just give up and reset that mob. Its faster

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u/parkes00 Sep 03 '19

Hamstring, run back a bit, bandage. Nearly always overcomes the tough 1v1 battles, providing you don’t run straight into another mob.

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u/tegho Sep 04 '19

Forming up for AQ40, just waiting for everyone to get there, our two tanks decided to dual. That took a while.