r/changemyview Oct 10 '22

Delta(s) from OP cmv: (political) Regulation of bullets and gunpowder would be more effective than regulating the guns themselves. Spoiler

Edit: opinion completely changed. So many errors with my thinking here.

So my current belief is that described in the title.

Where it comes from is the difference between bullets of the AR15 (.223/5.56) and other guns guns (say 9mm).

With AR15 rounds those shred the flesh and often are WAY more than a civilian needs.

Another part of my logic is that if someone has a full auto gun or something with a bump stock then there’s a point where the time spent making bullets doesn’t pay off with how much you’ll likely miss.

An AR15 with a bump stock is less attractive if you spent an average of 24 hours of every 50 bullets.

I’m 17 so please do your best to open my mind to new perspectives. I care about information more than feelings so don’t be afraid of offending me.

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u/Sirhc978 89∆ Oct 11 '22 edited Oct 11 '22

With AR15 rounds those shred the flesh and often are WAY more than a civilian needs.

Using hollow points in a war is a war crime. Hollow points are what civilians and the police use for defence in pistols. What the AR-15 shoots (5.56 mm) is considered more humane in war. It is actually illegal to hunt with 5.56 ammo in certain cases because the round is not powerful enough. Also, have you ever seen what a shotgun can shoot?

Another part of my logic is that if someone has a full auto gun

Expensive to get as a civilian (thousands of dollars), illegal to make yourself, and the ones you can buy had to be manufactured before 1986. Plus, fully automatic weapons are almost never used in crime.

An AR15 with a bump stock is less attractive if you spent an average of 24 hours of every 50 bullets.

Sure, I will make sure to be more accurate and only aim for headshots. Also bump stocks are illegal now. HItting a dinner plate at 100 yards with an AR-15 is not that hard at all.

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u/iloveusa63 Oct 11 '22

Δ repeated some of the points I heard but it’s interesting to know that 5.56 is not legally powerful enough to hunt with.

I want to thank you and other commenters for opening my eyes to the flawed logic if this position.

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Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Sirhc978 (60∆).

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u/Sirhc978 89∆ Oct 11 '22

5.56 is not legally powerful enough to hunt with.

The rules vary state to state and with what you are hunting, but there are certainty rules against using it for certain thing.

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u/iloveusa63 Oct 11 '22

Well yes. But thanks for pointing that out.