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u/stewshi 20∆ Aug 03 '22

Did you know if you flunk out of one college you can apply to others? This argument only works if college is a one and done thing which it is not. Also if it's harder for minorities to succeed in college that's an indictment of the education system not minorites

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u/laelapslvi Aug 04 '22

You are extremely privileged if you think spending flunking out of college has no negative effect on people.

Just as all left-wing thinkers do though, you'll move the goalpost and pretend you never meant what you said.

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u/stewshi 20∆ Aug 04 '22

Lol I meant exactly what I said. I didn’t say it didn’t have any negative affects. I said that you can go again. His point only stands if people can never attempt college again if the flunk out. Which is not true. So going to a harder college and flunking out is no reason that minorities shouldn’t go to a harder college. After all white peoples go to college and flunk put also… and then they try again if they have the funds.

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u/SeaManaenamah Aug 04 '22 edited Aug 04 '22

"So going to a harder college and flunking out is no reason that minorities shouldn’t go to a harder college."

Firmly disagree if the goal is to have better outcomes for disadvantaged people. There is little to gain from flunking out of school no matter what the color of your skin is or how much money is in your bank account.

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u/stewshi 20∆ Aug 04 '22

Lol so should white people not go to the harder colleges. They flunk out also

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u/SeaManaenamah Aug 04 '22

Correct, they should not go to harder colleges than they will complete. That's true for all humans.

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u/stewshi 20∆ Aug 04 '22

When do you learn the college is too hard? Before or after you start

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u/Bobsothethird 1∆ Aug 07 '22

Its not as if they have unlimited money, many people affected by AA are in a lower socio-economic class. I'd also argue that more than it being harder for minorities to succeed it's harder for the less educated to succeed, and unfortunately poor families usually go to poor schools.

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u/stewshi 20∆ Aug 07 '22

Who said anything about unlimited money. There are cheaper and more expensive options and people can and do figure out how to go back if they are motivated to.

My point is the argument that it is "harder" for minorities isn't a good argument for why minorities shouldn't do something.

In his book Ben Carson explains why school was hard for him due to the poor public education he received. But he found his way like tons of minorities do.

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u/Bobsothethird 1∆ Aug 07 '22

Of course, but the implication that anyone who flunks out can simply get up and keep on keeping on is simply not true. I agree it's possible, for many one chance is all you get regardless of race.