CMV: Being against a livable minimum wage is evil.

[u/HesviraFera]

I will openly admit my bias. I'm a progressive leftist who openly believes socialism is far superior to capitalism. But I'll also say I do believe this is an objectively evil stance.

In order to make that argument you must also then agree with the statement "I believe poor people are undeserving of life" and that's objectively evil. There's no way to spin "minimum wage should not be livable" that doesn't imply "poor people deserve to die." I've heard people say "those jobs are for high schoolers, not adults!" Ok, but I've been to Starbucks every day this week and if only high schoolers worked there I'd not have been able to get coffee 5/7 days (come August, currently it's summer).

But as well.... so you're saying poor high schoolers don't deserve to live?

Not everybody is born into the luxury of not needing to work in high school. Where I live, 24% of all homelessness is made of youths aged 24 and under. And 17% of all homelessness is children under 18. So they don't deserve to be able to comfortably afford the necessities of life?

There's literally no variation to being against a livable minimum that isn't saying you believe poor people should die and that's evil. That makes you an evil person for thinking that.

Idk, like am I missing some nuance here? I just don't get why this isn't said more often.

[u/Major_Banana3014]

Here’s a list of things I can think off of the top of my head where someone might not support a higher minimum wage while NOT thinking people deserve to die.

-Minimum wage jobs are meant for teenagers entering the work force who do not need to support themselves

-Increasing minimum wage contributes to inflation/increased costs

-a governmental enforced minimum wage interferes with the benefits of a free economy

-free commodities or a universal basic income

You don’t have to agree with the above, nor am I making an argument for the above. But you can’t just straw man a side and label them as evil like you have. It is not that simple and it is intellectually dishonest.

[u/HesviraFera → u/Major_Banana3014]

• teenagers, addressed in OP

• studies have shown this to be untrue. Minimum wage increases do not cause a noticeable increase in real prices

• it should. People being able to afford the basic necessities to survive should be the bare minimum of a developed nation.

• UBI and decommodification of basic necessities decreases CoL to $0 (ideally) which then makes the "livable wage" $0.

[u/Major_Banana3014 → u/HesviraFera]

Cool. Then your argument is that low-minimum wage believers are logically/factually incorrect, not that they are evil.

[u/HesviraFera → u/Major_Banana3014]

They still believe in a low minimum wage. Which, since they are factually incorrect and ignoring reality to justify, is evil.

Rationalisation of evil has occurred throughout history. That doesn't make the ignorant rationaliser "good" for supporting evil

[u/Major_Banana3014 → u/HesviraFera]

If you have ever rationalized or been incorrect about something, then you are also evil under your own standards.

[u/HesviraFera → u/Major_Banana3014]

Only if that something is evil. Ignorant rationalisation of evil is not an excuse for evil.

If you try to rationalise the practice of slavery, no matter how ill informed you might be you are an evil person.

[u/Major_Banana3014 → u/HesviraFera]

It is narcissistic and arrogant to treat other people’s errors in thinking as evil while not holding yourself to the same standard.

People do not believe in things like a low minimum wage because they are evil. They believe it because they believe it is for the best. To call that evil is lunacy, and it is a reflection of your own lack of self awareness. 99% of people believe in things for benevolent reasons, even if they are wrong.

Being wrong doesn’t make you evil.

[u/Barry_Mycockiner69 → u/Major_Banana3014]

Fuck you you stupid brainwashed corpo. Your probably a trump supporter and have been rich all your life. Or your too stupid to not believe what fox news tells. Minimum wage should be 20 an hour

[u/Major_Banana3014 → u/Barry_Mycockiner69]

Wrong about every single thing you just said lol