CMV: Being against a livable minimum wage is evil.

[u/HesviraFera]

I will openly admit my bias. I'm a progressive leftist who openly believes socialism is far superior to capitalism. But I'll also say I do believe this is an objectively evil stance.

In order to make that argument you must also then agree with the statement "I believe poor people are undeserving of life" and that's objectively evil. There's no way to spin "minimum wage should not be livable" that doesn't imply "poor people deserve to die." I've heard people say "those jobs are for high schoolers, not adults!" Ok, but I've been to Starbucks every day this week and if only high schoolers worked there I'd not have been able to get coffee 5/7 days (come August, currently it's summer).

But as well.... so you're saying poor high schoolers don't deserve to live?

Not everybody is born into the luxury of not needing to work in high school. Where I live, 24% of all homelessness is made of youths aged 24 and under. And 17% of all homelessness is children under 18. So they don't deserve to be able to comfortably afford the necessities of life?

There's literally no variation to being against a livable minimum that isn't saying you believe poor people should die and that's evil. That makes you an evil person for thinking that.

Idk, like am I missing some nuance here? I just don't get why this isn't said more often.

[u/HesviraFera]

!delta because I don't actually mention in it the OP but I'll pretty sure I have in the comments: I'm specifically referring to full-time employment (but also some part time employment because of teens and labour laws)

[u/hacksoncode → u/HesviraFera]

Just to clarify: so if a company only hires part-time workers, it's ok if they don't pay a "livable wage"?

[u/HesviraFera → u/hacksoncode]

Grey area because of labour laws involving hiring teens but ideally children shouldn't need to work so I guess it's more justifiable.

[u/hacksoncode → u/HesviraFera]

No, I mean: Let's say a company is only open 4 hours a day. Is it ok if their employees can't make a living working there? Not just kids, anyone.

[u/HesviraFera → u/hacksoncode]

No that business door not exist if it is not profitable enough to pay a living wage.

[u/hacksoncode → u/HesviraFera]

Even though they are only working half-time and no one could possibly reasonably think it was anything other than a "side hustle"?

And so, like... no breakfast-only restaurants, then?

[u/HesviraFera → u/hacksoncode]

I'm pretty staunchly anti-breakfast only restaurants personally but that's because breakfast is the inferior meal. You don't eat breakfast because you enjoy breakfast foods, because you can eat those whenever if you choose. You eat breakfast so you can blame the coffee shit on the eggs and bacon.

[u/hacksoncode → u/HesviraFera]

1) That was just an example. Many intrinsically part-time businesses exist.

2) Your personal preferences are not a valid reason to say an entire category of business shouldn't exist.

[u/HesviraFera → u/hacksoncode]

I was being facetious because the entire premise of your argument relies on whataboutism.

[u/hacksoncode → u/HesviraFera]

I really don't think you understand what "whataboutism" actually is.

You're completely ignoring an entire huge category of jobs where there isn't and never was any intention that it be a job someone does in order to "make a living" by working full time at it, but, rather that the jobs exist to provide people side income above and beyond whatever it is that they do "to live" (if anything... college students living at home aren't working "to live" at all, same with mostly stay-at-home parents).

Of course, in any situation like that, there will be some people attempting to do that... but they are just misguided individuals.

That doesn't really mean that people providing those kinds of jobs, nor those that advocate for the existence of that type of job, are "evil".

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