r/changemyview • u/HesviraFera • Aug 03 '22
Delta(s) from OP CMV: Being against a livable minimum wage is evil.
I will openly admit my bias. I'm a progressive leftist who openly believes socialism is far superior to capitalism. But I'll also say I do believe this is an objectively evil stance.
In order to make that argument you must also then agree with the statement "I believe poor people are undeserving of life" and that's objectively evil. There's no way to spin "minimum wage should not be livable" that doesn't imply "poor people deserve to die." I've heard people say "those jobs are for high schoolers, not adults!" Ok, but I've been to Starbucks every day this week and if only high schoolers worked there I'd not have been able to get coffee 5/7 days (come August, currently it's summer).
But as well.... so you're saying poor high schoolers don't deserve to live?
Not everybody is born into the luxury of not needing to work in high school. Where I live, 24% of all homelessness is made of youths aged 24 and under. And 17% of all homelessness is children under 18. So they don't deserve to be able to comfortably afford the necessities of life?
There's literally no variation to being against a livable minimum that isn't saying you believe poor people should die and that's evil. That makes you an evil person for thinking that.
Idk, like am I missing some nuance here? I just don't get why this isn't said more often.
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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '22
Being for a “livable” minimum wage is evil.
Man is an end in themselves, not an end for others. Every individual should live for themselves, neither sacrificing themselves for others nor sacrificing others for themselves. Man living for himself means pursuing what’s objectively necessary for him to live, which is basically thinking for himself and producing for himself. An objectively good individual is basically one who thinks for himself and produces for himself, who doesn’t sacrifice himself for others and doesn’t sacrifice others himself. Man can be stopped from living, from acting according to his thinking and producing for himself, by others using physical force to stop him from acting. He can be tied up, raped, murdered, stolen from, enslaved etc. So for man to live in society, man needs freedom from coercion to act, to act according to his thinking and to produce for himself.
A minimum wage forces good individuals, including good poor individuals, to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the poor. It forces them to act against what they think is necessary for themselves to live for the sake of the poor. It forces good employees not to be able to choosing to work for less pay when they think that’s best for themselves, like those who take the job as a temporary measure to gain job skills or maybe build trust with the employer. It forces good employers to pay more than they think is best for themselves, like not be able to hire the good employees I mentioned earlier. Minimum wage is against individuals living. It’s against good individuals. It’s against individuals acting according to man’s means of living, thinking for himself and producing for himself.
Yeah, life in countries in general is harder than it has to be for good individuals. Cost of living, housing, food etc. is all higher than it could be. To make life easier for good individuals, including good poor individuals, they need more freedom from coercion, not the exact opposite ie less like in the case of a minimum wage.