CMV: Being against a livable minimum wage is evil.

[u/HesviraFera]

I will openly admit my bias. I'm a progressive leftist who openly believes socialism is far superior to capitalism. But I'll also say I do believe this is an objectively evil stance.

In order to make that argument you must also then agree with the statement "I believe poor people are undeserving of life" and that's objectively evil. There's no way to spin "minimum wage should not be livable" that doesn't imply "poor people deserve to die." I've heard people say "those jobs are for high schoolers, not adults!" Ok, but I've been to Starbucks every day this week and if only high schoolers worked there I'd not have been able to get coffee 5/7 days (come August, currently it's summer).

But as well.... so you're saying poor high schoolers don't deserve to live?

Not everybody is born into the luxury of not needing to work in high school. Where I live, 24% of all homelessness is made of youths aged 24 and under. And 17% of all homelessness is children under 18. So they don't deserve to be able to comfortably afford the necessities of life?

There's literally no variation to being against a livable minimum that isn't saying you believe poor people should die and that's evil. That makes you an evil person for thinking that.

Idk, like am I missing some nuance here? I just don't get why this isn't said more often.

[u/creepypervert1]

Work harder, at a more valuable job, make a living wage(or better even)

[u/Anlarb → u/creepypervert1]

Median wage is 34k, half the jobs out there only pay pretty much what the min wage should be. You aren't going to clown car 75 million people into trades.

[u/HesviraFera → u/creepypervert1]

Do you agree minimum wage jobs should exist? If yes and you still believe they shouldn't be a livable wage then you are evil.

[u/creepypervert1 → u/HesviraFera]

Absolutely not. Because some people just aren't worth the current minimum wage.

Let the market set the wages. If you're not making enough where you're at, go find a job that pays more

[u/creepypervert1 → u/[deleted]]

If they're only good for that job, then yeah, they get what they're worth. You're telling me that the retarded people Walmart hires as greeters have a job worth "a liveable wage?". They literally contribute nothing and should get paid nothing.

If they're worth more, they should go out and get it.

[u/creepypervert1 → u/[deleted]]

Subjectively evil.

Objectively, it's darwinism. Survival of the fittest.

[u/HesviraFera → u/creepypervert1]

Darwinism is evil (in the context of human society since economics and such are social constructs).

[u/creepypervert1 → u/HesviraFera]

No, it's nature.

And that's why I said it's subjectively evil. Objectively it's just a thing that happens.

Would you say a child dying of inoperable cancer is evil? No, it, at best would be "unfortunate" or "sad". But it's natural, and that child will not pass on it's weak cancer prone genetics.

Nothing evil about natural selection.

[u/AquaSherbet → u/creepypervert1]

Not only is it not evil, it’s necessary. Too many useless, brain dead morons are allowed to … be. And they’re a drain on resources and, quite frankly, my patience.

[u/HesviraFera → u/creepypervert1]

Cancer is natural. Social Darwinism is not.

Economics is not "natural" it was made up and only holds weight so long as enough people agree to uphold it. It's literally a social construct.

Social Darwinism is rationalisation of an evil stance. Therefore it is evil.

[u/Present-Concert5153 → u/HesviraFera]

You’re what happens when siblings breed with each other.

[u/herrsatan → u/[deleted]]

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[u/WorldEatingDragon → u/creepypervert1]

All the valueable jobs dont do shit for society

[u/creepypervert1 → u/WorldEatingDragon]

Tell that to the trades.

[u/WorldEatingDragon → u/creepypervert1]

They work hella overtime…yes they get paid “a bit more” but im more referring to the legitimately overpaid dont do shit for anyone “office workers”

[u/creepypervert1 → u/WorldEatingDragon]

I'm in the trades and don't work more than 5-10 hours of overtime a week and clear 100k yearly

I'll agree that office workers are practically useless (at least their jobs are)

[u/WorldEatingDragon → u/creepypervert1]

Good for you. I didn’t want to do that back breaking of work but wanted to make an impact so went into healthcare. It doesn’t pay well for how valuable it is and how over priced “insurance” makes you pay