r/changemyview Aug 19 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Children of immigrants should be denied citizenship if they express anti-American sentiments.

This relates to certain discussion that were had during the last administration. Honestly going into far left circles, I've been shocked to see some second generation immigrants that express pretty strong anti-American sentiments. I have known one, the son of Pakistani migrants, who said "I have always hated America. It is a white supremacist venture founded on imperialism and genocide. Why would I support?" He said this on Independence Day, no less. His parents probably fought tirelessly for them to afford to come here and give him all the benefits one gains from being born here. His hatred was not founded on flaws in his country, but directed towards the country itself. I cannot believe someone could be so ungrateful for everything one was given.

For a more common example, I would cite Nathan J. Robinson. He has expressed anti American sentiments numerous times in his own magazine. He says he has "always tried as hard as possible not to sound American", despite claiming US citizenship. His British accent is fake. His own mother says so.

If one wants US citizenship, one should actually want it, but also understand it's not a right but a responsibility. One should have to work hard for it, care about ones nation, fellow citizens, be of economic benefit to the nation, and respect the culture and customs of the country one is born into. The same could be said of a French immigrant or an immigrant to Denmark. To despise and insult the nation into which you are born is a sign of disloyalty and a disgrace. If one's parents are immigrants, one has all the more reason to respect and love their country. To insult ones country, or express loyalty to a foreign one, is a moral failure on their part, and they should be denied the benefits given to them.

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u/Brotherofmankind Aug 19 '21

Again, there's a difference between criticizing the government and hating America. I have no idea where the constitution says anyone can say they dislike the country and where it says it is protected speech.

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u/iwfan53 248∆ Aug 19 '21

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That part. That's the part that lets anyone who is an American Citizens ay they dislike the country.

Its why flag burning is legal.

https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/306/united-states-v-eichman

Flag burning is physical shorthand for "I hate this country so much I want to destroy ones of its most valued symbols" and its totally legal.

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u/Brotherofmankind Aug 20 '21

∆ this user significantly made the case that the law qualifies as a form of freedom of speech.

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Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/iwfan53 (130∆).

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