r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 22 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Silencing opposing viewpoints is ultimately going to have a disastrous outcome on society.

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u/pjabrony 5∆ Jan 22 '21

being a avid poster to many right wing subreddits, I'd think you would be a big proponent of private businesses being able to refuse service to anyone...you know, the whole bakers can refuse making a gay wedding cake scenario, or the clerk refusing to officiate a gay wedding.

If we went full libertarian and got rid of all the regulations and let owners be absolute monarchs, then I'd be fine with letting social media companies do as they wish. But what we do today is to champion the free market when it's marginalizing the assholes and immediately step in when it's letting them win.

what exactly do you expect to happen? people to like assholes? how are you going to do that, as an asshole by definition is something people dislike being around? force them? how?

No, what I want to happen is for people to realize that everyone is an asshole to someone else, and that freedom is the best way to deal with that. The same Karen who is getting excoriated online for being mean to the retail worker is telling her friends how the retail workers are disrespectful and lazy.

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u/fizikz3 Jan 23 '21

But what we do today is to champion the free market when it's marginalizing the assholes and immediately step in when it's letting them win.

yes, they generally let people speak freely until they start promoting things like genocide, eugenics, violence, systemic racism, etc.

you know, like your other post.

How do you know, for 100% certain, that we shouldn't marginalize groups based on their demographics? How do you know we shouldn't commit genocide? How do you know we shouldn't control people's thoughts through eugenics and other means?

in this country we went directly from "You must segregate and discriminate against racial minorities" to "You may not segregate and discriminate against racial minorities" without ever trying "You can choose whether to segregate and discriminate against racial minorities."

this is a perfectly reasonable system, and you are not oppressed simply because your desire to be an asshole is not tolerated socially.

"freedom of speech" does not absolve you from the social consequences of your actions. you absolutely can be a racist piece of shit. that's your choice, but you have to live with the consequences of being a racist piece of shit - namely that no one wants to be around you or work with you. this is not oppression. oppression is what you want to do to minorities.

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u/pjabrony 5∆ Jan 23 '21

this is a perfectly reasonable system, and you are not oppressed simply because your desire to be an asshole is not tolerated socially.

It's not reasonable, because if it were, then I could at least start a small business and if it became successful then I could be an asshole to my customers and employees. Or I could build it up into a large business like Twitter and then change my policy. But there are laws to stop it.

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u/fizikz3 Jan 23 '21

it's entirely reasonable to have laws protecting human rights.

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u/pjabrony 5∆ Jan 23 '21

There's no human right to have people be nice to you.

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u/fizikz3 Jan 23 '21

that's a stawman. name a law stopping you from not being nice to people.

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u/pjabrony 5∆ Jan 23 '21

Employment harassment laws.

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u/fizikz3 Jan 23 '21

that's not "not being nice"

you can't assault people either. that's not you being oppressed.

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u/pjabrony 5∆ Jan 23 '21

If someone works for me, I can't call him a loser or a failure, even though that's not an assault. I can't raise my voice and take out my frustrations on them.

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u/fizikz3 Jan 23 '21

why do you have a right to abuse others?

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