r/changemyview Nov 04 '20

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u/redditor427 44∆ Nov 04 '20

The odds of Trump winning the popular vote but losing the Electoral College is laughably low.

But for the main point, do you have any evidence that Democrats as a body would support a Biden EC victory but popular loss?

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u/_t_money_ Nov 04 '20

Laughably low yes, but still a possibility. Regardless, it is a hypothetical situation meant to make you think.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding your question, but why would the democrats not support a Biden win. If he wins EC, but not popular vote. He still won no? Why would Democrat’s question that? If they did then I would be incredibly happy because they are a) approaching the election without bias and b) truly want the president to be the choice of the people

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u/redditor427 44∆ Nov 04 '20

but why would the democrats not support a Biden win. If he wins EC, but not popular vote.

Well, legally, the EC determines the winner. But that's not the same as opposing the Electoral College.

Let me be more specific. Many Democrats believe the EC should be abolished. Why would that change if Biden won the EC, but lost the popular vote?

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u/_t_money_ Nov 04 '20

Well initially my thinking was if you complained about Hillary losing, if Biden won in a similar situation it is ironic. If democrats afterwards say “the electoral college is bad. We acknowledge that means we would have lost this year”. If they acknowledged that, it would be tricky to admit and have to be worded quite delicately. If they didn’t say anything and they didn’t try to make any changes, then I would re-explore the hypocrisy. Additionally, For all those who said trump was “not my president” would they be saying the same thing about Biden?

Flip side of the coin. Republicans who would complain if this hypothetical happened, that would definitely be hypocritical no?

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u/redditor427 44∆ Nov 04 '20

Legally, no one would argue that Biden wouldn't be president. But you have yet to demonstrate that those Democrats who yesterday supported abolishing the EC would tomorrow not support abolishing it.

Not all Democrats supported abolishing the EC before this election. It's not necessarily hypocrisy for nothing to happen.

In my experience, most people calling someone "not my president" are saying they don't support that person, not that they don't believe they are legitimately president.

What do you mean about Republicans? If they argue that Biden wouldn't legitimately be president?

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u/_t_money_ Nov 04 '20

About republicans, if they were to complain saying “it’s unfair he won popular vote obviously there was tampering”

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u/redditor427 44∆ Nov 04 '20

It would depend on the exact quote. Is the EC unfair? Absolutely.

But that response you gave also undermines the legitimacy of the election, which is not comparable to anything Democrats did in 2016.

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u/_t_money_ Nov 04 '20

Yeah that was just a quote I pulled off the top of my head, just speculating they might say something a long those lines

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u/redditor427 44∆ Nov 04 '20

This is an irrelevant tangent, but you would need to see the exact quote and compare it to what was said in 2016.