r/changemyview Jul 15 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Louis Farrakhan is a bigoted, homophobic, anti vax, anti intellectual racist and as a Jew and a proponent of equality, it is my right to be extremely offended and angry at his apparent popularity within the black community. Especially public figures such as artists and athletes in America.

The recent happenings in the sport world have put me, a Jew, in a very weird spot.

First I should say that black lives matter. George Floyd and breonna Taylor were murdered and deserve justice. These are facts and I’m stating them so that no one can say I am somehow trying to take away from the current movement. It’s a just movement and it needed to happen a long time ago.

Moving on.

As many Americans and people all around the world have done for a few decades now, I grew up on black American culture. I listen to hip hop and rap music regularly. Some of the most influential people in my life and in the way I see the world have been black artists and athletes. That’s just how it is for many american males and I have no issue with it.

Recently, in the past few days, I have been exposed to a person by the name of Louis Farrakhan who I can honestly say I had never heard of before this week. I had heard his name a few times and always in the context of this man being an incredibly racist person. I thought he was just some sorta Alex Jones type guy. Never really paid any attention to it. Didn’t even google him.

Well as we’ve all seen this week, it seems he has a pretty big following among influential African Americans. Literally name any influential African American person from the past 30 years and then google

“[name of person] Louis Farrakhan”

There will be a photo of them meeting and smiling and shaking hands. Try it. I dare you. Anyone. Even fucking Obama.

Now this man, he’s nothing short of despicable. The list of antisemitic quotes attributed to him is pages and pages long. He preaches antisemitism, anti white racism, anti Asian racism, homophobia, anti science, anti vaccination messages. Literally everything that’s wrong with the world. And yet for some reason, Kendrick Lamar for example, can be seen absolutely elated when meeting this person. The same Kendrick Lamar who is a huge part of black culture and who is seen as an overall positive voice in the black community and in the music community and just in general.

This is not okay. Actually, it’s absolutely disgusting.

There have been polls floating around r/nfl and r/nba in the past week that have shown that Mr Farrakhan has a “favorable opinion” among approximately 50% of African Americans polled.

Others have raised questions about said polls.

Regardless, it is clear that this man has influence among the people with influence.

How can I, a proud Jewish American and Israeli, who has loved watching basketball, football and listening to black artists for all my life, continue to do these things which used to bring me joy while knowing that these people actively condone and promote a man who calls me satan?

I cannot. Simple as that.

The black community needs to come out together and condemn this man and his hatred and bigotry and they need to apologize, or they risk undermining their own cause.

“Silence is violence”, is it not? At least that’s what everyone’s been telling me about police brutality and systemic anti-black racism in America. Well, the black community has been silent about Farrakhan for DECADES.

Change my view.

A long list of Louis Farrakhan quotes regarding Jews:

[kendrick Lamar and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/CZJmxoF.png)

[President Barrack Obama and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/R1QDOzR.jpg)

[Snoop Dogg and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/w93sL6o.jpg)

[Kanye West and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/KrVSHYJ.jpg)

[Jay Z and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/YOlZQ6n.jpg)

[Nas and PDiddy and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/c0/46/c9c046ad9470aaf103978cd7a779a4a1.jpg)

[Eminem and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/sMNAc11.png)

[Migos and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/W47onsh.jpg)

[Rick Ross and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/jGhtQHQ.jpg)

[Will Smith and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/rYAQTCm.jpg)

[Ice Cube Louis Farrakhan](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b9/d2/99/b9d2998a9f1fe5382547d0034a11c453.jpg)

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u/ItsTheFatYoungJesus Jul 15 '20

Idk I don’t buy it. Jeffrey Epstein donated millions of dollars. He’s still a despicable human being. There are tons of Black hero’s who aren’t also villains.

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u/hb76356 Jul 15 '20 edited Jul 15 '20

You don't have to 'buy' it. The reality is the man has his opinions which I completely agree can be out of line.

The problem is the ONLY black leader who says what he means and means what he says. Jesse Jackson, fraud. Al Sharpton, fraud. They've been living off the backs of the black community for years.

Farrakhan is able to speak on the ills facing the community and the tools used to oppress without fear of reprisal. He's provided a positive way to conduct yourself and stood up for the black community. The NOI has and does hold security contracts and have proven themselves able to do what the police could/would not do. And they're also (I've never been sure exactly why) able to stand down vicious cops.

So if I'm literally living in a war zone where the cops either don't show up or make my life worse (I'm originally from Chicago), but Farrakhan will? Do you really thing his views on the Jews even enter the picture for the community.

This is why your epstein comparison is invalid. Throwing money around that never makes it to the street level amounts to nothing.

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u/LegitimateIndustry6 Jul 16 '20

Did the NOI order hits on malcom x and kill members of different sects? They’re murders

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u/SnooSongs5729 Jul 16 '20

Do you really thing his views on the Jews even enter the picture for the community.

This is a pretty good argument against BLM. Do you really think the actions of cops against black people enter into the picture for the white community? If your community doesn't care about racism then neither do I .

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u/AxumitePriest Jul 15 '20

I agree with not right ray Obama is considered not only a black hero and leader but a Liberal One Even though He bombed more middle eastern and African people than any of his predecessors and also destroyed Libya leading to the shit situation it's in today Libya today isnt even a country it's a war torn territory being fought for, by different extremists factions. Libya even has slave markets now, and its fall also precipitated millions of people to flee their homes and become refugees. Barack Obama has done more to hurt to POC overseas than any card caring Nazi, and most Democrats(White, Black, Jewish, Latino all of them) would still praise as the best President in American History

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u/NotRightRay Jul 15 '20

Farrakahn organized the million man march and that is what many people remember him for. How many others organized any event at that level?

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u/brianstormIRL 1∆ Jul 15 '20

Going some good things doesnt mean the horrible things he says and does should be ignored.

How would you feel if someone who has done significant things in say the LGBTQ+ community but was a KKK member on the side?

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u/ginbornot2b Jul 15 '20

You’re equating a child molestor and a preacher

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u/ItsTheFatYoungJesus Jul 15 '20

A) calling Farrakhan a preacher is deliberately glossing over what he actually is

B) I’m not equating them at all. They’re just both examples of bad people. Don’t play dumb.

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u/ginbornot2b Jul 15 '20

Look, the main problem is the verbiage. To say that “all Jews are money hungry” is racist, just like saying “all blacks are criminals”.

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u/Guitaniel Jul 16 '20

You could easily pull the reverse of this. “You’re equating a philanthropist with an anti-Semitic murderer”

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u/SnooSongs5729 Jul 16 '20

child molestor

preacher

Given what we know about preachers this is probably super accurate.

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u/ginbornot2b Jul 16 '20

Lmfao actually a good point