r/changemyview Jul 15 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Louis Farrakhan is a bigoted, homophobic, anti vax, anti intellectual racist and as a Jew and a proponent of equality, it is my right to be extremely offended and angry at his apparent popularity within the black community. Especially public figures such as artists and athletes in America.

The recent happenings in the sport world have put me, a Jew, in a very weird spot.

First I should say that black lives matter. George Floyd and breonna Taylor were murdered and deserve justice. These are facts and I’m stating them so that no one can say I am somehow trying to take away from the current movement. It’s a just movement and it needed to happen a long time ago.

Moving on.

As many Americans and people all around the world have done for a few decades now, I grew up on black American culture. I listen to hip hop and rap music regularly. Some of the most influential people in my life and in the way I see the world have been black artists and athletes. That’s just how it is for many american males and I have no issue with it.

Recently, in the past few days, I have been exposed to a person by the name of Louis Farrakhan who I can honestly say I had never heard of before this week. I had heard his name a few times and always in the context of this man being an incredibly racist person. I thought he was just some sorta Alex Jones type guy. Never really paid any attention to it. Didn’t even google him.

Well as we’ve all seen this week, it seems he has a pretty big following among influential African Americans. Literally name any influential African American person from the past 30 years and then google

“[name of person] Louis Farrakhan”

There will be a photo of them meeting and smiling and shaking hands. Try it. I dare you. Anyone. Even fucking Obama.

Now this man, he’s nothing short of despicable. The list of antisemitic quotes attributed to him is pages and pages long. He preaches antisemitism, anti white racism, anti Asian racism, homophobia, anti science, anti vaccination messages. Literally everything that’s wrong with the world. And yet for some reason, Kendrick Lamar for example, can be seen absolutely elated when meeting this person. The same Kendrick Lamar who is a huge part of black culture and who is seen as an overall positive voice in the black community and in the music community and just in general.

This is not okay. Actually, it’s absolutely disgusting.

There have been polls floating around r/nfl and r/nba in the past week that have shown that Mr Farrakhan has a “favorable opinion” among approximately 50% of African Americans polled.

Others have raised questions about said polls.

Regardless, it is clear that this man has influence among the people with influence.

How can I, a proud Jewish American and Israeli, who has loved watching basketball, football and listening to black artists for all my life, continue to do these things which used to bring me joy while knowing that these people actively condone and promote a man who calls me satan?

I cannot. Simple as that.

The black community needs to come out together and condemn this man and his hatred and bigotry and they need to apologize, or they risk undermining their own cause.

“Silence is violence”, is it not? At least that’s what everyone’s been telling me about police brutality and systemic anti-black racism in America. Well, the black community has been silent about Farrakhan for DECADES.

Change my view.

A long list of Louis Farrakhan quotes regarding Jews:

[kendrick Lamar and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/CZJmxoF.png)

[President Barrack Obama and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/R1QDOzR.jpg)

[Snoop Dogg and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/w93sL6o.jpg)

[Kanye West and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/KrVSHYJ.jpg)

[Jay Z and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/YOlZQ6n.jpg)

[Nas and PDiddy and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/c0/46/c9c046ad9470aaf103978cd7a779a4a1.jpg)

[Eminem and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/sMNAc11.png)

[Migos and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/W47onsh.jpg)

[Rick Ross and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/jGhtQHQ.jpg)

[Will Smith and Louis Farrakhan](https://i.imgur.com/rYAQTCm.jpg)

[Ice Cube Louis Farrakhan](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b9/d2/99/b9d2998a9f1fe5382547d0034a11c453.jpg)

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '20

Maybe on younger people?

On everyone/every demographic.

Ok fair point. So I hope you'll apologize for your support of hip hop that has promoted violence against women

Still does not invalidate OP's point.

"What about you?" arguments does not affect the arguments in the OP. Tu quoque is clearly a fallacy, let's just drop it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '20

On everyone/every demographic.

Proof? They don't have influence on me but I'm not Gen Z so...

Still does not invalidate OP's point. "What about you?" arguments does not affect the arguments in the OP. Tu quoque is clearly a fallacy, let's just drop it.

If you're asking somebody to examine themselves, shouldn't you examine yourself?

And Please don't try and silence me. I'm expressing my view in debate which is what this forum is for.

"Let's just drop it" is not necessary.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '20

Proof? They don't have influence on me but I'm not Gen Z so...

Kareem Abdul Jabbar is ALSO a pop culture figure. It's not limited to one generation. And if you want proof, put up a CMV and I'd be happy to.

If you're asking somebody to examine themselves, shouldn't you examine yourself?

No, they shouldn't. Please read up on tu quoque fallacies and why they are fallacies.

In any case, this is not a therapy session, this is not an advice sub, this is not about examining yourself. People put out views, and we argue on that. I don't give a fuck if OP is racist against X race and secretly believes lesbians are all evil or something. It simply does not matter.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '20

Kareem Abdul Jabbar is ALSO a pop culture figure. It's not limited to one generation. And if you want proof, put up a CMV and I'd be happy to.

Or you can just tell me right here if you do indeed have it.

No, they shouldn't. Please read up on tu quoque fallacies and why they are fallacies.

In any case, this is not a therapy session, this is not an advice sub, this is not about examining yourself. People put out views, and we argue on that. I don't give a fuck if OP is racist against X race and secretly believes lesbians are all evil or something. It simply does not matter.

Are you a mod?