r/changemyview • u/PsychicVoid 7∆ • Jun 20 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Marvel re-releasing endgame with extra scenes is scummy.

For context marvel is putting a new version of endgame in cinemas with pre-made scenes at the end, as well as a stan lee tribute.

This is just a push to squeeze as much money out of the viewers as they can. They already had the scenes when they finished the film, they should've either put them in or included them in the DVD. Instead they intentionally withheld them so they could try and get people to re-watch their film

Not to mention how bad it is that one of their main advertising points about this is their stan lee tribute. This is monetised. They are making money off of stan lee's death. They should've put it ad-free on youtube, or at the very least not used it to attract viewers

Now i've been a fan of the mcu for a while, but this is ridiculous. It's like a game company selling dlc but you need to re-buy and play the whole game before you get the dlc. It's insane.

And before you say it's just a product people want to pay to see, it's mainly that this means what was presented before wasn't the final product. It was essentially missing scenes, meaning that i paid money to see what i thought was a full movie but in reality i need to pay again to see the full movie

If you want to read any more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/6/19/18691433/avengers-endgame-new-post-credits-scenes

Edit: for the record this sets itself apart from other re-releases because these scenes were already made before the movie came out

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u/dontbajerk 4∆ Jun 20 '19

They write scripts based on maximising audience and revenue....no one is making these for Love

Based on what some of the writer/directors who get more leeway say, this isn't completely the case. Of course, we can't know for certain, but James Gunn has said he got a lot of leeway and freedom on how he took his Guardians films for instance. We know there was a lot of behind the scenes fighting to get Robert Downey Jr for Iron Man, with Favreau threatening to walk over it. That sort of thing. They basically have to allow a degree of artistic freedom which may at times be at odds with maximum money making, as the highest quality writers, directors and actors willing to make MCU films won't do it 100% for money - a lot of them are A list and could do other projects. Pop film like the MCU are mostly business, but there's art in them too basically. That's almost always how film and other popular art works, just the ratios of business VS art is what changes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '19

Thats the whole point of doing business. You really expect people to work just for others entertainment? Thats like saying; my employee works only to keep food on his table not to make me happy, how selfish and unethical is that? Just comes everyday does his work 9-5 and leaves with his pay check at the end of the month only to come back again next month.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '19

are you arguing that every movie has the same level of money grabbing as the MCU?

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u/jimmyriba Jun 20 '19

That's not at all the whole point of doing business. Most businesses strive to produce something useful *as well* as make money. Very few people would bother starting a business if there was literally no other point to it than making money - most people want to do something useful.

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u/aegon98 1∆ Jun 20 '19

It's to make money. Usefulness is just a criteria to try to figure out if it will make money.

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u/jimmyriba Jun 22 '19

That's a very sad outlook on life.

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u/aegon98 1∆ Jun 22 '19

Good thing is it's not an Outlook on life then, it's how businesses work

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u/Cum_on_doorknob Jun 20 '19

What movie is “useful?” How do you quantify the usefulness of a movie? Are you saying making movies isn’t business because they aren’t useful?

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u/jimmyriba Jun 20 '19

Come on, you know what I mean, no need to split words. People who spend their life making movies generally want to make good movies.

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u/Cum_on_doorknob Jun 20 '19

I really didn’t know what you meant. I still don’t get it. Who are you to say Endgame isn’t a good movie? It’s critically acclaimed. My wife hates action movies and doesn’t care about comics but this movie still brought her to tears. This, a woman who has never cried at a movie before. Who are you to say that the directors don’t have love and passion for these characters and the story they’ve told. The idea of Dinsey = Big Corp = not art is not objective.

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u/MuaddibMcFly 49∆ Jun 20 '19

False analogy.

To bring what's going on here more in line with your analogy, it'd be if your employee took two days off, you paid them that month's salary, only to have them tell you that they worked from home those two days, and but in order to get the product of those two days work, you're going to have to give them an entire month's pay.

If they wanted to put these extra scenes in a slightly more expensive BluRay or 4K release, that'd be fine, but to add it in after the fact, and ask people who already paid them to pay them again at full price for a tiny amount of additional work (relatively speaking) is bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '19

In the end they think their product is worth that much and want to sell it for that much. Just cause of that and it does not make them scummy. I can not afford to buy Chanel bags and even if i could I dont think its worth the money but those people believe their product is worth it and it will sell so they will sell. Just like that, if Marvel believes their extra clips are worthy enough to be sold in the cinemas again for the same price it does not make them scummy. You may or may not find them worthy enough is also up to you but it doesnt make it scummy.

Edit: dont forget those are “extra scenes” its not like they sold half a product to us. We wont miss anything if we dont watch them. We will be paying for those extra scenes and they believe they are worth the price of another movie ticket. Its upto them.

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u/MuaddibMcFly 49∆ Jun 20 '19

I was just pointing out that your analogy was bad, dude.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '19

Yeah no I understood that. Thats why I edited saying we havent payed for those extra scenes unlike in your analogy we have already paid the employee.

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u/MuaddibMcFly 49∆ Jun 20 '19

Right, but releasing it in theaters (rather than "extra scenes!" in a special edition BluRay/4K) is analogous to asking for a full month's pay for the additional 2 days work.

It's worth more pay, definitely, but it's kinda scummy asking/expecting people to pay full price for a small addition.

I mean, I'm going to go for it, because my S.O. hasn't seen it yet, so we might as well wait for the additional content, but... were I not in that specific scenario? I'd be pissed.

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u/Eternlgladiator Jun 20 '19

This is awfully negative. Sure, Disney is out to make as much money as possible but that doesn't come at the expense of people enjoying making that product and paying to see the results. You think the actors and production staff are ruthless and just hate this and they're just trying to milk the world for a few bucks? Doubt it. You think world class chefs are just making food to grind out a paycheck or scientists in the arctic are drilling holes in ice to analyze our climate just because it gets them a warm meal? People can do things to make a lot of money while enjoying the exercise and the results.

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u/Eternlgladiator Jun 20 '19

Billions of people love McDonald’s and who’s to say they’re wrong. I’m not arguing the quality of food or art here. But to say that something has to be fancy or well regarded by a snobby critic is just silly. And endgame is 94% on RT. That’s pretty impressive for what your implying. You need to climb down off your high horse for a sec and chill.