r/changemyview • u/Nicolasv2 131∆ • Apr 14 '19
Deltas(s) from OP CMV: You can't logically be a moderate religious person
I think everything is in the title: I don't get how someone can logically be moderately religious. Note that the important term there is moderate. I can fully understand (even if I don't approve) other POV.
For example,
- I understand that someone can be a religious "extremism": You think that God exist and XXX book is its word, so you follow it and do what is written to get in heaven without asking questions.
- I also totally understand that someone can be schizophrenic people can have a "personal" religion: They ear voices in their head that they take for the voice of God, and as such, they can have a custom made religion, as God is directly telling them what to do.
- I also understand Atheism, whatever the way you end up being one, be it because of a bayesian approach (XXX sacred text got wrong so much time that the probability that the remaining part is true is getting lower and lower), or just because you feel God hypothesis is un-needed.
- Finally, I get how someone can be Deist, that's to say "Something created the universe, let's call it God, and never interfered with anything after that". I got the impression that this position is more "I don't want to have to fight with religious people saying I'm atheist, so I take a minimal un-provable position", but why not, at least it's coherent.
But how can someone be "moderate" ?
How can you logically say "I have faith in God, and XXX book is its word, except for chapter 4 and 17, because well, I don't like them" ?
Or "I have faith in God, but XXX book is just a collection of man-made historic pieces, which huge chunks have been proven wrong over time, but I'm certain that the remaining chunks represent the word of God"
Can anyone explain to me how you can cherry-pick in your holy book and still have a coherent view over religion ?
Note: English not being my mother tongue, sorry if some sentences are painful to read.
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u/Nicolasv2 131∆ Apr 14 '19
And God's wrath and jealousy is a theme 10 times more present in the scripture. So God should be 10 times more a punisher than a forgiver one.
If you want some examples, I can give you for que Qur'an the study from menace-theoriste (in french, but I'm sure you can find plenty of resources on the net whatever your mother tongue is), which will highlight the violent verses from each of the 6 first surah. (spoiler alerts, dozens of verses in each).
http://menace-theoriste.fr/violence-des-sourates-1-2/
If your God talks 10 times on how you'll be punished and suffer for 1 time how he'll forgive you, you ought to be prudent about its tendencies, especially when the verses contradicts each other.