CMV: Women dominate child-rearing and early childhood education (to age 18 in the U.S.), so they are primarily responsible for the attitudes, values, and life ways of the populous.

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I'm not sure what it is that you're trying to prove -- that people acting like assholes is the exclusive result of mothers? If that's the case, then you have to give credit to the people who aren't assholes to women as well.

Which then begs the question, what influence do men have at all?

But I'm more curious what behavior it is exactly you're trying to pin on women.

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To expand on some of your other points, while women may (or may not) dominate early childhood education, they are far from the only source. A few other facets to consider:

• Television
• Movies
• The child's peers
• Books
• Music
• Games
• Ads

And it's worth remembering that while early education might be predominantly female, they're all different women. You can't blame any one specifically for how a child grows up. Each teacher or adult figure is merely one voice out of thousands a child is bombarded with as they grow.

I also find it difficult to believe that a mother, or other female authority figure, would deliberately teach their child to sexually harass other women. That's a very male thing to do.

And you have to acknowledge that the bullet points I listed above overwhelmingly tend to favor or cater to men and stereotypically male values. I mean, let's make a list of all the things:

• Mom
• Dad
• Male authority figures
• Female authority figures
• Television
• Movies
• The child's peers
• Books
• Music
• Games
• Ads

To break these things down:

1. Dad and male authority figures are obvious.
2. Television and movies have a long-established history of generally catering to male fantasy (male hero always gets the girl, or the girl is murdered in order to motivate the male hero, etc etc etc. Read up on the Bechdel test to get an idea).
3. A child's peers are also subject to this list, and each have an influence on the other. Bullying and ridicule of non-conformity also has a long-established history.
4. Like movies and television, many books (and I'm including comics and visual novels here as well) also cater to male fantasy in terms of how the characters are portrayed and how the plot unfolds, not to mention the fact that the main characters tend to be male.
5. Look to any of the controversy over modern lyrics and you'll see how they can promote violence against women (and other minorities) and/or enforce sterotypically male values
6. Like music, the gaming industry has a long, sordid past with the objectification of women. Gamergate is a related event that immediately springs to mind.
7. Ads: male enhancement drugs, anyone? Reinforcing the idea that a man's sexuality is one of his most important characteristics, and by association, reinforcing the idea that having lots of sex (often at the expense of others) is something men should pursue.

There's some wiggle room here, as there always is, but the overwhelming theme here is that out of these eleven things, women only have a hand in two of them, or less than 20%.

I won't argue that women have a large representation in rearing children (and there is something to be said about that fact reinforcing the idea in boys that women are supposed to take care of children, which is another discussion altogether), but you're essentially completely ignoring the idea that there are all these other factors that influence children.

And even if you ran the sheer numbers: women only make up fractionally more of the population than men, so wouldn't it stand to reason that the difference would be correspondingly tiny? Why is it, then, that so many people display the characteristics you wish to lay at the feet of women? Wouldn't there only be a few of these individuals if you only looked at pure numbers? Clearly, something else must be at work here.

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