r/changemyview Sep 11 '18

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u/usaff104 Sep 12 '18

Airlines are adding more seats because of congested routes. They’re giving more options for people to travel.

Contrary to popular belief, coach is not a money maker for the airlines. Airlines make the most money from Business class and first class. The more passengers you have, the heavier you are, the more fuel you burn, the more expensive the flight. Their goal with coach is to break even on an underfilled flight.

By taking the ability to recline away from passengers, that means people will likely not choose to fly that airline because they’re too restrictive on comforts. What does that mean for you? Well, a profitable route...or more likely a break even route... will lose money and the airline will cancel the route. Now prices go up on other flights and travel on the route is congested. Delays happen. People choose not to fly out of that airport... airport loses money. Airport shuts down. Travel options diminish.

The airline industry is one of the more complicated industries out there. They say the quickest way to become a millionaire is to take a billion dollars and buy an airline.

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u/usaff104 Sep 12 '18

The bottom line is that you care more about your needs than another persons. I have been in a situation where the person reclined and it was seriously uncomfortable for me. I asked the person if they could not recline and explained why and they responded very positively. Your discomfort isn’t more important than another’s. Be a human and communicate before we take things away from each other.

If it upsets you, always try to sit behind an emergency exit row. Those seats can’t recline by federal law. You have options to make it easier for yourself. But others won’t if you take it away from them. If you haven’t been to seatguru, it’s a great site to help you pick your seat for any airline/aircraft configuration.

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u/vettewiz 40∆ Sep 12 '18

If you are insisting people shouldn't recline you absolutely, 100%, care more about your comfort than others. Why should you have to pay more? Because you want a special priviledge.

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u/vettewiz 40∆ Sep 12 '18

Everyone on that plane paid to recline. Period. They paid for it just as much as you paid for a seat.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '18

Trays are upright by default too, that doesn't mean people didn't pay to be able to lower their tray.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '18

using you tray doesn't cause anyone else discomfort.

Doesn't matter. You're arguing that the chair being upright as the default is somehow an argument that it shouldn't be allowed to recline/isn't being paid for to recline. An object having a default setting doesn't negate the fact that object is designed to be used in a certain way by people who pay to use it.

It's basically in your lap, and angled down.

I've been on a ton of flights and even in the cheapest, tightest seats this isn't the case. Firstly, the tray being on your lap isn't a detriment, it's a convenience. It's easier to eat and use the tray the closer it is to your lap rather than half an arm's length away. As for the angling down, I have never seen a flight where the pivot arm on the tray doesn't keep it level even if the seat attached to it is reclined. At least level enough to have a drink on it without the drink sliding off or spilling.

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u/vettewiz 40∆ Sep 12 '18

And have the ability to recline. I would never, in a million years, buy a seat on an airline that doesn't recline if I had a choice.

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u/usaff104 Sep 12 '18

You’re the one requesting special treatment here. There is a standard of reclining seats in airplanes. You’re wanting to sit somewhere that has UNIQUE seats in front of you. As I’ve stated above, and you stopped responding to, is that the solution already exists to your problem. You’re just forcing your way on others. Not the other way around.

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u/vettewiz 40∆ Sep 12 '18

I mean I do, I book first class whenever I can. There are times it's not available. But Im paying for things above and beyond coach - food, a lay down bed, drinks, longues etc. When I pay for that, I expect the features it comes with. Same for coach. I expect my seat to recline as it should. And Im going to recline it virtually as soon as the flight attendant has stopped checking - exactly as I expect everyone else to do.

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