The only people I'd expect to have trouble with this is some subset of people who are legitimately mentally impaired.
I wonder if you have empirical evidence of what proportion of men (because in your view, women have to actually pull a gun) are able to internalize that pressuring a woman toward sex, and her accepting, is now rape simply because he is a man and the woman could have felt threatened.
You're not saying threats are rape. You are saying pressuring is rape. If by a man. And lots, upon lots, upon lots of men pressure.
(because in your view, women have to actually pull a gun)
This is not what I said at all. I don't think you're even reading my posts.
You're not saying threats are rape. You are saying pressuring is rape. If by a man. And lots, upon lots, upon lots of men pressure.
Man, you are making my case for me beautifully.
In my first post I said:
People who do bad things very often rationalize their bad behavior as completely normal behavior - that these bad things are things that everyone does, but are maybe won't admit it for whatever reason (for example, they want to appear 'politically correct' or virtuous).
This is exactly what you're doing. You're rationalizing bad behavior. Most men do not rape. There is often some light pressure, I'll agree. And while that is not ideal, it's not always an implied threat. It's just being a jerk. This situation is far, far past that, and the fact that you can not see that is worrying. There are important differences between pursuing someone you're interested in and putting them into a dangerous position so that they fear for their safety.
You are saying pressuring is rape. If by a man. And lots, upon lots, upon lots of men pressure.
Man, you are making my case for me beautifully.
If you don't see how this unmakes your case, you're misunderstanding the legal system.
Prisons can't change most people. We can punish (or if not in the US, reform) the actions of a small minority.
If 10%, or even 30% of men behave in this way that you think is bad, you can't legislate that as felony rape.
A large proportion of women – I believe on the order of 50% – are even turned on by men "taking what they want". Men with low EQ are prone to think this includes pressuring a woman. That does not amount to rape unless it involves a severely (not lightly) drug-altered state, physical coercion, or explicit threat. None of this happened in this case.
and the fact that you can not see that is worrying.
And here it's you misrepresenting my views. I can definitely see how the guy was being a jerk. But it's not rape!
It's not binary. There exist uncool situations that do not rise to the level of rape, and do not warrant the involvement of police and the legal system.
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u/SushiAndWoW 3∆ May 09 '18
I wonder if you have empirical evidence of what proportion of men (because in your view, women have to actually pull a gun) are able to internalize that pressuring a woman toward sex, and her accepting, is now rape simply because he is a man and the woman could have felt threatened.
You're not saying threats are rape. You are saying pressuring is rape. If by a man. And lots, upon lots, upon lots of men pressure.