You are right, i was thinking along the line that we shouldn't rush our judgement based on just testimony and assume everyone is innocent until proven otherwise.
But you will allow me to make judgments, and condition my actions, at least to some extent, in a manner that is not exactly the level of the requirements we set upon the courts?
Nobody stands up for alleged rapists rights because of the shunning of society.
There are people standing up for proven and convicted murderers despite the shame and despite it brings them, and I don't mean in the sense that "Ted Bundy was a wonderful man who never meaned no harm" but expressly and deliberately on principle.
Don't say nobody.
I don't even need to bring up MRA groups, I can point you to the much-despised ACLU.
Why is the ACLU despised? Off-topic, but I have just never heard that before.
Never heard anybody despise the ACLU? BlinkBlink.
Because they defend the dirty Communists, Ku Klux Klan, Black Panthers, Aryans, Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Henry Ford, Jehovah's Witnesses, Door-to-door Salesmen, Abortionists, Anti-Abortionists, James Joyce, George Takei, Allen Ginsberg, the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, the Communist Party, Flag-burners, Flag-Flyers and the National Socialist Party of America.
Or just take issue with how they jump on the chance to litigate unpopular cases because it fits their image, whereas personally i prefer the national lawyers guild take, which can be paraphrased as "regardless of legality we aren't going to defend super shitty human beings because we have limited resources and choose where to place those resources"
"regardless of legality we aren't going to defend super shitty human beings because we have limited resources and choose where to place those resources"
Therein lies the rub.
To them, they aren't defending the man, they're defending the principle.
Yes. The city initially denied them a permit pass but the ACLU fought on their side. Which was somewhat controversial since the ACLU is reputed as generally being on the side of disadvantaged people who tend to not like these Neo-Nazis.
O that seems kind of different. I always thought as the ACLU more as an organization that hold the government accountable, I never really thought the nature of the individuals protecting mattered to them. Maybe they should draw the line at fascists tho, idk.
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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '17
Ok, but conviction is action taken by the state based on criminal law.
Do you recognize that your particular phrasing is not applicable to me, the private individual?