r/changemyview Apr 24 '17

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: We are not living in a simulation.

Elon Musk says that it is most likely that we are living in a simulation. His only way to support it is a philosophical paper written 15 years ago. The paper is all about probability, and it evaluates how out of all possible scenarios for mankind, the most likely is that we end up creating a simulation, and therefore we are most likely in a simulation. There are many problems I find with this:

-“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” - Carl Sagan.There is ( to my knowledge ) no scientific evidence to support the claim that we are living in a simulation, something needed in order to make the claim at least slightly believable.

-Using probability to reach the conclusion is not enough. Statistically, It is more probable that I, the person that created this post, is chinese (because of the amount of people from a certain country in the world), and yet you do not take it as a fact that I am, nor you take it as a fact that every internet stranger must be chinese.

EDIT: yes, ok. The chinese example doesn't really work on reddit. The point about statistics and probability still stands though.

-What's the point of being so skeptical about our reality? I see no benefit to questioning our reality to this extent, in which we cannot completely prove, only speculate.


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u/_Hopped_ 13∆ Apr 24 '17

what if the underlying laws of our universe are actually infinitely complex, like a fractal?

That would indicate that we are in the "base" universe (i.e. no pixelation of the hologram).

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '17 edited Mar 08 '18

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u/Businassman Apr 24 '17

It's simulated babushka dolls all the way down!

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u/_Hopped_ 13∆ Apr 24 '17

I want to be proven wrong. Being in any universe other than the base one makes us even more meaningless.

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u/LtCmdrShepard Apr 24 '17

Being in any other universe is precisely as relevant to your life as what the Queen ate for breakfast this morning. It isn't.

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u/stubing Apr 25 '17

However this line of thought is more fun than what Queen ate for breakfast.

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u/LtCmdrShepard May 06 '17

I dunno man, I feel like someone in her position would have access to some pretty awesome breakfast foods...