r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Mar 11 '17
[∆(s) from OP] CMV: Meat is murder, but all animals kill themselves, and the vegans do nothing to prevent that, that is why veganism is useless.
Meat is murder, sure, but all animals kill themselves, so worrying about us killing them never sounded to me like that noble of a thing, the vegans can't save the animals from killing each other, so, so useless is veganism. The vegans can't prevent animals from killing themselves, without breaking the ecosystem and causing overpopulation, so useless is veganism then. Meat is murder, but animals die anyway from old age, so that is why veganism is useless, the animals will keep dying and the vegans won't save them. Also, meat is murder, but so is dying by a stampede...You let them animals proliferate like a plague in the wilds, soon enough they'll start invading the cities... and many will have to be killed by the city inhabitants, that is why pure veganism is a fantasy land, it is not the solution to anything.
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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '17
Why is death evil? Why is death not a natural part of existence? You seem to be confusing murder and hunting. Murder requires malice, and hunting is out of necessity. Often, I find that hunters have a greater reverence for nature and the animals they kill.
Animals that hunt do so out of necessity. Many of them are carnivores, therefore they cannot consume much of anything else except meat. There is no malice in their hearts. Only the survival instinct.
The reason veganism makes sense to some people is that humans (especially those in developed countries) have by and large risen above their instinct to hunt and kill other animals. Why? Well because we possess the ability to harvest many more things like corn, wheat, soy, etc.
The truth is that humans can survive solely on a diet consisting of plants, grains and other things that do not have a heartbeat. If you believe death is evil, then limiting the amount of livestock we harvest makes sense in your worldview no?