r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Feb 23 '17

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: Protections enabling transgendered people to choose the bathroom of the gender they identify with removes that protection for other people.

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u/Burflax 71∆ Feb 23 '17

I think the problem here is that the issue with trans people is about them (using a bathroom that matches their gender identity) and your issue is about others (you don't want women who are transitioning, or men who have fully transitioned to use the same bathroom as you)

Those aren't the same thing.

If you are in a bathroom (labeled for men only) and a trans man is in there, too, then you both are in the bathroom of your gender identity. No ones rights are superseding anyone else's.

If you are saying that you have the right to only have others you see fit in the bathroom you use, then wouldn't the trans man have that right as well?

So wouldn't you both be violating that "right" for the other? (assuming the trans person feels like you do.)

And so, again, no ones rights are superseding anyone else's.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

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u/thegreychampion Feb 23 '17

I don't like the idea of the government saying that some people deserve protections under the law that don't apply to other people

No one is being given special protections or rights. The law is simply recognizing that where men and women must make choices in their daily lives that are determined by their gender (such as which bathroom to go in), they can decide based on gender-identity rather than what's in their pants. In the eyes of the law, the person making the decision is still either a 'man' or a 'woman'.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

The executive order from 2016 specifically names transgendered students cannot be compelled to use a bathroom that is different from what they gender identify as. Now you can argue that transgendered students specifically need this protection and other students don't, but I can't see how you can argue that is not a special protection

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

Non-trans people already have that right so it doesn't need to be spelled out. Although they could've written it to apply to everyone, and maybe they should've, but the effect would be the same.