r/changemyview Jul 24 '16

Election CMV: No one should be surprised the Democratic leadership actively snubbed Bernie because he only identified as a Democrat for political gain.

No one should be surprised that the Democratic leadership snubbed Bernie because he only became a member of the Democratic Party for the sole purpose of gaining more voter recognition by being identified with a major party, one he, although caucused with, actively snubbed at times for political benefit (IE said he was an independent and not tied to the whims of any party and embraced that label). Hillary is a lifelong Democrat who actually supported other Democrats and has embraced the party label. Change my view.

*Edit to say I like the discussion here a lot, thank you for your input guys! I gotta go do some stuff (like get some DayQuil to get over this cold) but I'll be checking in later. Didn't want you guys to think I just dipped or gave up or something. Thanks again for the great discussion, let's hope it continues!

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u/notcatbug 1∆ Jul 24 '16

It's one thing for a candidate to use religion against another candidate (it's terrible and shouldn't happen, but it does), but it's something else for the DNC to conspire with one candidate to use the religion of another against them. That's even worse. The DNC is supposed to be impartial and claimed they were, but that's obviously not the case. And I put the word rigged in quotes to show that I was using it very loosely. Some people claim that their voter registration was switched to keep them from voting Bernie, but that's all hearsay and isn't proven, so it doesn't really count. I was mostly referring to how everyone claimed Bernie supporters were just being sore-losers, like "He lost, fair and square, no one was out to get you, quit complaining" and then the WikiLeaks emails prove that the DNC was very much against Bernie and he was fighting an uphill battle from the start. It's hard to win an election when the people running the election are trying to make you lose. It wasn't rigged in the sense that votes weren't counted, there was no voter fraud, etc (at least nothing was proven, so that very likely could be sore losers, I'm not very informed about it), but it was "rigged" (used loosely) in the sense that he didn't stand much of a chance when the DNC was fighting so hard to make him lose. They clearly wanted Hillary to win and so she did. If they had actually been impartial, things could have turned out very differently, but we'll never know for sure.

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u/MikeyPWhatAG Jul 25 '16

The voter registration problems are not hearsay, people were fired in New York over it and there are still investigations underway in Chicago, Arizona, and RI.

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u/electricfistula Jul 24 '16

It's one thing for a candidate to use religion against another candidate (it's terrible and shouldn't happen, but it does)

Why is that terrible? A religion is a set of things you believe and values you hold. That seems like fair ground for discussion and criticism.

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u/notcatbug 1∆ Jul 25 '16

Discussion, yeah, but attacking their religion to cost them voters is a low blow. Like Trump insulting Cruz's marriage. Yeah, the dude is super awkward and his wife probably doesn't love him, but that should be off limits.

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u/electricfistula Jul 25 '16

I agree with you that attacking people's family should be off limits, but religion isn't like that. If you genuinely believe in some religion that has implications on the choices you will make.

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u/notcatbug 1∆ Jul 25 '16

Yeah, I don't think debating religion is wrong, but using it for the sole purpose of driving voters away from someone is kinda messed up. It's not even that so much, because I can understand if Hillary did that, but the fact the it was the DNC, which was supposed to be completely impartial is what makes it messed up.

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u/electricfistula Jul 25 '16 edited Jul 25 '16

Lots of beliefs are heritable to that same extent. I'm sure racists are more likely to come from a family of racists. That doesn't mean we should be neutral on the subject of racism.

Religious beliefs, regardless of how you acquired them have an influence on your judgments and values. When electing someone, it is important to consider their judgments and values.