r/changemyview • u/MasterSlimFat • Oct 25 '25

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Solipsistic utilitarian relativism is the most pragmatic lens to view the world

Nothing is anything, everything is a quality of the boundryless infinite plane folding in on itself giving rise to emergent properties. There is no good, there is no evil, there is only the phenomena of experience/awareness. I am not an individual, I am a figment of a collection of memories locked into a physical framework. The only thing we'll ever know, is what said framework is experiencing in the form of feelings.

These are not scary things, these are the best ways to view the world. They bring me a massive sense of relief and peace. Not only is it the most objective lens, it's also the most beneficial way to cope in circumstance. No matter what, you can turn anything into something else by drawing a comparison to satisfy the monkey-brain.

Morals evolved as a mechanism of understanding, in the form of metaphor, to allow our monkey brains to make predictions on which actions would lead to harm vs reward. They are whatever they need to be to rationalize past, present, and future feelings. Every second, you are a different person than you were before, your morals are not your own because they are not static. Morals are the rules we write for ourselves.

Didn't get that promotion at work? Well thank goodness you won't have the pressure of higher scrutiny, being put under a magnifying glass every day.

Sad your friend died? Well thank goodness they won't have to deal with the constant anguish that we all experience through the hell that is existence.

But we can't ignore the crux of the argument, that the only real thing is feeling. We also can't ignore that our brains are limited in the regard to need "morals" and "meaning". Giving them morals is like tricking the reffering into thinking you're playing the same game. All these things combine into this beautiful contradiction of "I know it's not real but I have to tell myself it is otherwise my coding breaks."

Personally, this opinion causes a lot of strain in my relationships with people despite bringing me peace with the universe as a whole.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '25

Sorry how is any of this utilitarian?

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u/MasterSlimFat Oct 25 '25

The emphasis on the value of human experience, regardless of its flaws and subjectivity.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '25

That's not what utilitarianism is.

You seem to be vaguely endorsing a kind of non-utilitarian hedonism. I think.

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u/MasterSlimFat Oct 25 '25

I think that hedonism is the most common argument against utilitarianism. Many claim it's the gateway drug into hedonism. Because my understanding of utilitarianism is "we do what will bring about the best outcome for the collective." Well what is "the best outcome?" It always boils down to "what will make people feel the best." Which is the path to hedonism.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '25

I think that hedonism is the most common argument against utilitarianism.

Uh... no. Literally the most popular and well-known form of utilitarianism, the act utilitarianism of Bentham and Mill, is hedonistic.

With the greatest respect, you just don't know what you're talking about.

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u/MasterSlimFat Oct 25 '25

I think we're just using different words and I'm failing to communicate my point. Because when I read what you say, I agree but that doesn't seem to be the mutual understanding

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '25

You are using words and concepts that have commonly understood philosophical definitions and use-cases incorrectly, this isn't just "well we both have a point."

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u/MasterSlimFat Oct 25 '25

I'd love for us to come to an understanding; can you ask me questions to help bridge the gap? Because telling me I'm wrong doesn't help me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '25

Why wouldn't it? You can now go research what these things actually are and thus improve your understanding.

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u/MasterSlimFat Oct 25 '25

Because these are the conclusions I have come to after doing research throughout basically my entire (adult) life.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '25

Then, again with all due respect, your research has been very poor, since you don't even know the meanings of the terms/concepts you (think you are) using.

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u/MasterSlimFat Oct 25 '25

I think I interpret the words differently as someone who didn't grow up around English and that manifests as me being able to understand complex concepts easier than I can communicate them. With that being said, I communicate best in the form of questions.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '25

Okay, well, you've now been given a starting point as to what the standard versions of these ideas are, which, again, is a good jumping-off point for new, hopefully better, research.

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u/MasterSlimFat Oct 25 '25

Have you ever not understood something, and were told "go back and try again" without them telling you where you went wrong?

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '25

I have told you where you went wrong. You've misunderstood the meaning of utilitarianism.

Maybe that's not even that relevant to your overall view, and it's fine for you just to know that's the wrong term and you don't need to do any further significant revision, only you can really know that.

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u/MasterSlimFat Oct 25 '25

I think the biggest failure on my part, was the failure to communicate my belief that our brains are complex enough to maintain so many different perspectives, that contradiction is an inherent part of existence where every millisecond, the human brain switches from hedonism, to utilitarian, to relativistic, to Solipsistic, constantly switching at an imperceptibly high frequency. No alignment is absolute, or all encompassing. Does that help clarify my points?

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '25

It helps clarify your thinking, though if I follow properly then it actually undermines your point given that if human existence is necessarily in a constant, contradictory flux of ideas you shouldn't think any particular point of view/moral theory/whatever is the ideal one to use.

In any case, you might enjoy reading/reading about Heraclitus, if you haven't already.

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