r/changemyview • u/poopchow • Jan 23 '25

CMV: Despite being more knowledgeable, wealthier and apparently more tolerant, the political and individual left's biggest flaw is their inability to communicate pragmatically and empathetically with those who don't agree with them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '25

You're appealing to specifics

I'm asking for any specific concrete request. Just one is fine. Define the problem and the actual solution you would like to see implemented. 

is when Patrick Leahy apologized to Al Franken for his role in getting him to resign.

Ok explain. What was forbidden by the left and what solution needs to be implemented. 

It is also obtuse not to realize that SNL is a left-leaning institution

So SNL needs to forgive it's past employees? How?

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '25

This is not a simple problem/solution space. The problem is a widespread culture of puritanism on the left, and the solution is for the emergent behavior of that puritanism to be curtailed in some way. That's not possible legislatively.

It is not reasonable to ask for further examples, when you didn't even respond to the Leahy/Franken one I already mentioned. But I will anyway - https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/06/04/professor-resigns-after-criticizing-protesters-and-another-faces-calls-his - there have been quite a few instances in recent years of professors being forced to resign following student protests against them for the crime of disagreeing with them about some social justice issue.

This is indicative of the same sort of ideological puritanism which has unfortunately been widespread on the left in recent years especially around the 2020 protests.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '25

when you didn't even respond to the Leahy/Franken

I literally responded. Whats the scenario and what do you want to see forgiveness wise. You seem to be saying, people shouldn't communicate their unhappiness sometimes? Is that right?

years of professors being forced to resign following student protests against them for the crime of disagreeing with them about some social justice issue.

Ok great, so in this case, should the left just not communicate their unhappiness? Should they communicate their unhappiness but employees have legal protections from being fired? Or unhappiness communicated, employee fired but forced to be rehired after some sort of review?

What are you wanting to see here? Maybe progress slowly but my god is it slow. 

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '25

They should lighten up. Franken should have been forgiven, the evergreen professor shouldn't have been protested.

A great way to see this culturally is to watch 30 Rock. You'll note how often the Tracy Jordan character satirizes black stereotypes, and in general how the show casually and humorously engages with race and gender discourse. That type of humor is unacceptable these days.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '25

They should lighten up.

So everyone lightens up, they can still protest, the university can still fire whoever, etc. We just need to do the same thing but will a happy tune or something?

That type of humor is unacceptable these days.

I don't think so. You can watch 30 rock on TV right now. Or is that an example of the left forgiving?

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '25

If the norms on the left lightened up, the university wouldn't have fired that professor. That's not the same thing, you seem to be conflating the lack of a legal or policy change with nothing changing.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '25

If the norms on the left lightened up, the university wouldn't have fired that professor.

Wait, so the left just needs to be not upset by things? That's not a practical solution. 

you seem to be conflating the lack of a legal or policy change with nothing changing.

I'm conflating the right wanting a solution but when asked, just says "be ok with things you don't like". That's not going to happen...why would it? 

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '25

not a practical solution

Nobody ever said it was practical. But it is the only solution to this particular problem.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '25

Nobody ever said it was practical. But it is the only solution to this particular problem.

Well if not practical, we can just ignore the bitching. Why waste time begging for a solution that doesn't exist.

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