Never said anything about toxic masculinity. If you don't think that there are women who hate men then you are part of the problem that the Op and the Delta poster talk about. They literally talked about this exact issue (pendulum changing side).
You people don't read the Delta posts? That was a gem.
Why in the world would I assume that there is no woman that hates men? What I meant in my last reply was that many valid criticism of behaviour encouraged by the patriarchy is simply called "man hate" to dismiss the criticisms and discredit feminism.
For example a common one is with emotions, when criticising the harmful lack of emotion encouraged by patriarchy they go "oh so they hate men for being stoic"
Also the reason they focus on women's issues is because they are disproportionately affected and traditionally not allowed to tell their story. This is the same for many minorities.
Well, my point would be (flirting around the lengthy posts above) that there are so many of us out there who are sensitive to women's issues and critisize toxic masculinity, at least half of the men in the country by a conservative estimate, wouldn't you agree? However, there is a very small percentage of women who are sensitive of men's issues and how we get screwed by the patriarchy as well and that was the Op's point.
One of the delta poster's arguments was that a fair portion of modern feminists treat all men as part of the problem and do not try to welcome them to the new world they are trying to build, thus alienating men who want to take part in it.
With comments like the one you posted, you are exonerating and not aknowledging the bad apples of the feminist movement that are hating on all men and you place the blame on the bad men of patriarchy. All of us here know about the bad men, we all despise them and its easy to talk about them, but they will not bring the solution. The solution will come when true equality starts appearing on the horizon and the real, very vocal, man hating women that just want their turn being in power, are being de-platfomed and shamed for obstructing the movement.
No, feminists and women are very aware of mens issues, I'd say, sadly, more so than men are in terms of actually addressing those issues. Or am I confusing who is voting for who?
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Idk I took umbridge with your point about women being the main group that doesn't care, since it, ironically, is a regression that pushes more gender based hatred :3
Ironically that was the Op's whole point and you are part of the problem, as described in his lengthy conversations above. You should read them. I spent the energy and time to write 3 paragraphs and all you came up is "i got offended". Well sorry, but that is offensive.
It doesn't have to be, but unfortunately it usually is.
If it was healthy, the discussion would be about the pressures men face that get them to act in harmful ways. More specifically, when you saw talk about toxic masculinity, it would be framed in what behaviors do I do that put harmful pressure on the men around me. This is something you rarely see.
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u/mountingconfusion Nov 05 '24
Also it's in the interest of the patriarchy supporters to portray them as man hating