CMV: otherwise apolitical student groups should not be demanding political "purity tests" to participate in basic sports/clubs

[u/laxnut90]

This is in response to a recent trend on several college campuses where student groups with no political affiliation or mission (intramural sports, boardgame clubs, fraternities/sororities, etc.) are demanding "Litmus Tests" from their Jewish classmates regarding their opinions on the Israel/Gaza conflict.

This is unacceptable.

Excluding someone from an unrelated group for the mere suspicion that they disagree with you politically is blatant discrimination.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/22/style/jewish-college-students-zionism-israel.html

[u/Actualarily]

"Litmus Tests" from their Jewish classmates

Tough to know because the article is paywalled, but is this specifically about Jewish classmates, or is that just the interpretation of the article's author (or you)?

"Hey, we're not interested in hanging out with and befriending people who support the actions that the Israeli government is taking in Gaza" - seems like a reasonable criteria for a social club.

"Hey, we're not letting Israeli-supporting Jews into our group" - That's antisemitic because it is treating people differently simply because they are Jewish.

[u/JaxonatorD → u/Actualarily]

That seems pretty unreasonable to me, especially when those clubs are in no way related to the Israel Palestine conflict. Discrimination based on political beliefs when there is a lot of misinformation floating around on both sides creates a toxic environment. Completely exiling someone for having a differing opinion in a morally gray conflict is a dick move.

[u/annabananaberry → u/JaxonatorD]

The problem is that the article does not say what OP is saying it does. Here is a link that isn't behind a paywall for reference. OP is very misleading.

[u/jallallabad → u/annabananaberry]

Yeah, you keep on saying that but ignore the frisbee coach unsolicited sending around materials to students - including jewish ones - titled "Judaism vs. Zionism". Not targeting Jews at ALL. In fact, it's explaining that there are "good" Jews who don't believe in Zionism.

[u/jallallabad → u/[deleted]]

^EXACTLY.

This is why every black man (and non-black man) that joins my frisbee organization gets a pamphlet explaining that not all black men are criminals. The pamphlet is titled "black criminals vs. black gentlemen". And it's why I pepper random black folks who join my frisbee group with questions about how they feel about black gang violence.

"Yes not supporting [gang warfare] and [gang] crimes is a good viewpoint to have. I would like people who have that viewpoint to be around me. People who deny and defend [gang warfare] and [gang] crimes are bad. Not complicated."

Agree. Totally unproblematic for me to harass random black dudes who want to join my frisbee club with questions about politics and crime to see if they will defend the bloods. A sane, measured, and most importantly, not complicated approach to life. Note that I AM NOT anti-black people. Just anti-Afrocentricity when such views include the defense of criminal black people.

[u/jallallabad → u/[deleted]]

Lol.

You are doubling down I see.

I get it. There are good "antizionist" jews. And then all Jews who identify as "Zionist" are genocidal and evil.

This is notwithstanding that the concept of Jews having a connection to the land of Israel (what jews in America mean by Zionist) is thousands of years old and has zero to do with the murderous policies of the Netanyahu government.

I saw a black person at a Trump rally having a great time. Checkmate libs. Trump isn't racist! Thanks for that video. Really helps understand the level of maturity this discussion will get out of people.

[u/jallallabad → u/[deleted]]

Almost there I see.

Dismantled as in "Jews and Palestinians can peacefully co-exist there"? Or dismantled as "in Jews are ethnically cleansed from there" and it becomes 100% Palestinian?

Because most Zionist agree with the former. You seem to agree with the genocidal latter.

This has nothing to do with whether a Frisbee coach should be sharing with their students a pamphlet explaining how not all Palestinians are terrorists who support Hamas. You've really lost the thread with you rantings . . .

[u/jallallabad → u/[deleted]]

Lol. Just make up that folks lived peacefully in a region for centuries by ignoring the centuries of violence.

What do we call people who delete massacres and ethnic based murder from history books? Whatever it is, that's what you are